Similarities through history.

**Jo the Greek** · 08-02-2007, 06:54

I have noticed that the iberian units in EB have the same logic with some units of spain in MEdieval 2 like those guys with the javelin called A*******
( i cannot write it) and all those units armed with sword and buckler is any connection?

**abou** · 08-02-2007, 07:03

If you want a simliarity, compare the policies of post-Persian Wars Athens to recent US foreign policy.

**KARTLOS** · 08-02-2007, 07:13

gesatae = public nudity is more tolerated in france than elsewhere........

**russia almighty** · 08-02-2007, 09:10

A general one

Rich prats are the ones with power

**The Errant** · 08-02-2007, 13:00

Nations.

Carthage was a nation focused primarily on the aqusition of wealth trough trading. They fought wars to protect their commercial interests, rather than expansion and empire building.

The United States is the foremost speaker for globalisation, capitalism, and freedom trough democracy. Funny how they always manage to get involved in conflicts where their own commercial interests are at stake.

Rome. Highly nationalistic society with dreams of being an empire (until they managed just that). Convinced that they (and only they) know the best way of running the world. If the barbarians don't understand it's better to live under the auspices of Rome. Send a legion or two to teach them how to be good citizens.

The former Soviet Union. Very nationalistic. Equally convinced that their ideals and methods were superior to anyone elses. And should those others resist. Then they shall be crushed under the blessed boot of mother Russia. After all. Free nations cannot be expected to know for themselves, what is best for them.

**Horst Nordfink** · 08-02-2007, 14:32

How interesting. The same can be said for America poking it's nose in other peoples business and trying to force "democracy" on countries through the barrel of a gun/blade of a sword. Although, were Rome usually won, America generally gets a good shoe-ing from the peasants they tried to dictate to.

**Treverer** · 08-02-2007, 23:17

Originally Posted by The Errant

Nations.

Carthage ...

The United States ...

Rome. Highly nationalistic society with dreams of being an empire (until they managed just that). Convinced that they (and only they) know the best way of running the world. If the barbarians don't understand it's better to live under the auspices of Rome. Send a legion or two to teach them how to be good citizens.

The former Soviet Union. Very nationalistic. Equally convinced that their ideals and methods were superior to anyone elses. And should those others resist. Then they shall be crushed under the blessed boot of mother Russia. After all. Free nations cannot be expected to know for themselves, what is best for them.

As Political Scientist I must object:

- the idea & concept of a "nation" is relatively new. The time of the French Revolution is considered the first one where this 'concept' appeared. To speak of "Roman Nationalism" in the way you do hurts every member of my science branche ...

- the Soviet Union is viewed as everything, but NEVER as "nationalist", because (soviet) Communism is regarded as an "universalist" doctrine, putting nations aside and propaganding happiness & welfare for everybody. Well, in the beginning, it had a russianphile /-phobic touch, and Communist Parties during / after WWII had "national" traits, but not all and not that heavy.

Apart of these 2 points, I simply second your statements. Especially the one about Roman & Soviet cultural / political IMPERIALISM.

Treverer

EDIT: Fortunately, there is something a certain Mr Kennedy called "Imperial Overstretch".

**Bovarius** · 08-03-2007, 15:53

Originally Posted by abou

If you want a simliarity, compare the policies of post-Persian Wars Athens to recent US foreign policy.

Or the comparison of the foreign policy of the early and mid republic of Rome and the US foreign policy until 1910.( A friend of mine made his scription ("thesis") on that subject for his master degree in History.)

**Centurio Nixalsverdrus** · 08-03-2007, 18:02

Fascists were impressed by the cult held around the state, the city, the empire in ancient Rome, by the mighty Legions and what not. Ancient Rome is argueably the best idol for the fascist states of the 20th century. And of course, Roman state ideology was not about italic superiorty over all other races. It was about Roman superiorty over the rest of the world. The rise of Emperors like Germanicus belongs to the very end of the Western Roman Empire, which is (funny that) characteristically marked by its inevitable decline, at least partly caused by the "barbarization" of the society.

The Greeks were highly racist from what I know. Funny that the Germanic people of that days basically saw everybody able and willing to fight as part of their tribe.