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    Arrow Re: Similarities through history.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Errant
    Nations.

    Carthage ...

    The United States ...

    Rome. Highly nationalistic society with dreams of being an empire (until they managed just that). Convinced that they (and only they) know the best way of running the world. If the barbarians don't understand it's better to live under the auspices of Rome. Send a legion or two to teach them how to be good citizens.

    The former Soviet Union. Very nationalistic. Equally convinced that their ideals and methods were superior to anyone elses. And should those others resist. Then they shall be crushed under the blessed boot of mother Russia. After all. Free nations cannot be expected to know for themselves, what is best for them.
    As Political Scientist I must object:

    - the idea & concept of a "nation" is relatively new. The time of the French Revolution is considered the first one where this 'concept' appeared. To speak of "Roman Nationalism" in the way you do hurts every member of my science branche ...

    - the Soviet Union is viewed as everything, but NEVER as "nationalist", because (soviet) Communism is regarded as an "universalist" doctrine, putting nations aside and propaganding happiness & welfare for everybody. Well, in the beginning, it had a russianphile /-phobic touch, and Communist Parties during / after WWII had "national" traits, but not all and not that heavy.

    Apart of these 2 points, I simply second your statements. Especially the one about Roman & Soviet cultural / political IMPERIALISM.

    Treverer

    EDIT: Fortunately, there is something a certain Mr Kennedy called "Imperial Overstretch".
    Last edited by Treverer; 08-02-2007 at 23:58.
    Towards the end of the book, the Moties quote an old story from Herodotus:

    "Once there was a thief who was to be executed. As he was taken away he made a bargain with the king: In one year he would teach the king's favorite horse to sing hymns."
    "The other prisoners watched the thief singing to the horse and laughed. 'You will not succeed,' they told him. 'No one can.' To which the thief replied, 'I have a year, and who knows what will happen in that time. The king might die. The horse might die. I might die. And perhaps the horse will learn to sing.'"

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