Similarities through history.

[KARTLOS]

Athens is a far better comparison to America.

Nazi Germany is a very accurate comparison to Rome.

rome completely lacked the radical racialism of the nazis.

[Zaknafien]

rome completely lacked the radical racialism of the nazis.

Not at all! The Roman government was an excellent example of a fascist state, you know. The military-industrial complex and propaganda machine in the heyday of the Principate and later Imperial stages were something that modern states can only model upon, and the ever present 'defensive' reasonings for Roman expansion and genocide mirror Hitler's own reasons for the Reich's defensive wars. What defines the fascist movement is the belief in the cult of the state, which is something the Romans excelled at (even the city herself was deified, literally).

[NeoSpartan]

Not at all! The Roman government was an excellent example of a fascist state, you know. The military-industrial complex and propaganda machine in the heyday of the Principate and later Imperial stages were something that modern states can only model upon, and the ever present 'defensive' reasonings for Roman expansion and genocide mirror Hitler's own reasons for the Reich's defensive wars. What defines the fascist movement is the belief in the cult of the state, which is something the Romans excelled at (even the city herself was deified, literally).

True... the only major difference that comes to mind is that Hitler wanted to "purify" the Reich. All those whom were not considered arian were to be disposed off. While the Romans did most of the genocide in the invasion, but later they tried to win over thier new-found subjects and make them part of the empire and their military.



p.s all this roman talk is making me want to start a new Romani campain....

[abou]

If there is one thing I wish the US could take more of from Rome, it would be the architecture. I think one of the guys said that they really just ripped it off from the Greeks and Etruscans, but having studied it that really isn't something very fair to say at all. The Romans were certainly evolutionary in their application, but many times they were quite revolutionary.

Now, a lot of stuff in DC takes direct inspiration from from Rome, but I really wish there was more of it. A lot of the presidential libraries in particular are absolutely atrocious. That's why if I were to become president my library would be based either on Trajan's forum or the Sanctuary of Fortuna. Hell, that's campaign material right there: Vote for me. I won't have an ugly presidential library.

[Khazar_Dahvos]

in regards on the subject of these postings the romans took the best of what they learned and assimilated it into their culture. for example the gods, also military technologies(example gladius, from the Iberian peninsula and helmets from the gaulic tribes and( the extra layer of chainmail around their shoulders once they ran into the dacian rhomphi I think.)

[KARTLOS]

Not at all! The Roman government was an excellent example of a fascist state, you know. The military-industrial complex and propaganda machine in the heyday of the Principate and later Imperial stages were something that modern states can only model upon, and the ever present 'defensive' reasonings for Roman expansion and genocide mirror Hitler's own reasons for the Reich's defensive wars. What defines the fascist movement is the belief in the cult of the state, which is something the Romans excelled at (even the city herself was deified, literally).

yes but as i said it completely lacked the radical racialism which is at the core of nazism.

rome was a multicultural state, where race was never really too much of a bar to advancement. there was no concept of an ethnically pure masterace or any of the rest of that germanic rubbish.

[Baryonyx Walkeri]

yes but as i said it completely lacked the radical racialism which is at the core of nazism.

rome was a multicultural state, where race was never really too much of a bar to advancement. there was no concept of an ethnically pure masterace or any of the rest of that germanic rubbish.

I agree what many people forget, Rome was not a etnical empire....the roman citicenship could be granded virtually to everybody who earned it or pay for it (look Paulus he was not a etnical roman).

About fascism, well I do not entirely agree, of course for those days it was wery advanced, and usually fascist states (mussolini for the first, but also Hitler) tryed their best to copy the romans. But we can not compare a anciet government structure using our modern standart.

[pezhetairoi]

To answer the original query, the Almogavars' being so similar to the EB-era Iberian units are hardly a coincidence. Their armed forces' equipment and fighting style is really decided by the major factors of available resources, and geography. Iberia is hilly, and has few fields that permit massive Cannae-style battles. Fighting in Spain has necessarily been guerrilla, from then until the modern day. That fundamental rule decides the reason why them Iberian fellas are all so identical despite their time period. Firstly, javelins were cheap to produce, could cause helluva damage when hurled from high ground (of which there was plenty in Iberia), and they permitted the Iberians to keep at arms' length from melee combat, which allowed them to melt away quickly without committing themselves to fighting which would cost them as heavily as the enemy. Though to compare the Lusotana and Iberi troops in EB to the Almogavars is perhaps not fully accurate, since the Almogavar were light troops, whose closest equivalent in EB are perhaps the Caetrati. Surely they must have had a larger variety of heavier troops too, though these were necessarily rarer in proportion to the cost and complexity of their panoply.

Hope this answers some part of your query at least.

[Zaknafien]

if you think rome was not based on ethnicity you are highly mistaken, and maybe have watched too many movies...

[Baryonyx Walkeri]

if you think rome was not based on ethnicity you are highly mistaken, and maybe have watched too many movies...

and maybe you have read to few books...

[pezhetairoi]

Rome was the archetypical multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religious hodgepodge of a nation that today has become a normal occurrence in the community of nations. Citizenship must not be misconstrued as ethnicity. You are born a race, it cannot be conferred on you. To say the Roman Empire was not ethnic is like saying the USA, arguably the most racially and culturally diverse nation on earth at the moment, is all white people, or African-Americans, or Asians, or any other ethnic group you can name. It's a lot more complex than that.

[fatsweets]

Come on people, this is not a political forum let us talk about the game we love and not about nationalism and comparisons between the US and government 2000 years ago. This could turn ugly really quick.

[Treverer]

Come on people, this is not a political forum let us talk about the game we love and not about nationalism and comparisons between the US and government 2000 years ago. This could turn ugly really quick.

Seconded!
Is there no kinda "off-topic" / "open" (sub-) forum, where threads / discussions like these might fit in? If no, I suggest to create one (a subforum!).

[russia almighty]

^I agree with you on that . There are things that are sorta related to EB like this but don't go along with the main boards focus .