Princesses = Queens???

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Well, more than once I am down with just King and a princess. Wars and plague have done there work. So I was thinking that in some cases the princesses could become queens. It´s not something so unusual to the medieval times. Maybe it´s just the way I am playing but all my generals have the habit to get killed.

So, is it possible to change the game that princesses can become queens??

Oh, and it is nice to be back here :)

[Zarky]

I think before they can become "Queens" they have to be married, and if there´s no brothers it´s most likely this fresh married guy becomes king and this way Princess becomes Queen.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

i ment that princess will become a queen and she can lead armys and so ...

[Askthepizzaguy]

i ment that princess will become a queen and she can lead armys and so ...

There were extremely few cases in history where a lady would lead an army into battle. Not to be sexist, but it is a historical reality that women rarely served in battle or advanced in rank in the medieval period.

Although a queen may in fact be the sole ruler of a nation in some rare instances, she would be even less likely to be on the battlefield if she became queen. If a nation is so strapped for legitimate heirs to a throne that the queen becomes the sole ruler, she would not risk herself in battle.

Joan of Arc was the only female commander of an army who led troops on the battlefield, if I recall. My knowledge of history isn't what it should be, so anyone feel free to correct me.

[ReiseReise]

@pizzaguy

There were actually many, the most well known besides Joan probably being Boadicea of the Iceni fighting the Romans.

http://www.lothene.org/others/women.html has a very long list by time period.

It brings up the point that there were many many laws through the ages prohibiting women from combat, and there would be no need for such laws if women did not participate in combat in the first place. Case in point: there is no law against setting your own genitals on fire because nobody does it, however there are laws against attempted suicide because people do.

An off-topic but interesting case in point in the news recently due to a grotesque event: there is no law against necrophilia in Wisconsin. A court decided that the "living or dead" clause in the rape laws only applies if the victim was killed during the assault.

[IrishArmenian]

The most famous in the Caucasus is Tamar of Georgia. She was one of the greatest rulers of Sarkatvelo and she ushered in a golden age for large parts of Armenia by taking them from the occupying Turkish forces.

Weird fact: Queen is one of the only words in english that is traceable back to Armenian. (Along with door) Qin came to be used by the Germans during the crusades and they brought it back with them, same goes for door which comes from toor.

Now you can amaze everyone at snobby gatherings!

[Askthepizzaguy]

@reisereise

I am humbled by the facts. I hereby withdraw my previous statement.

Excellent work!

[andrewt]

It brings up the point that there were many many laws through the ages prohibiting women from combat, and there would be no need for such laws if women did not participate in combat in the first place. Case in point: there is no law against setting your own genitals on fire because nobody does it, however there are laws against attempted suicide because people do.

I saw a news story once about some guy in Germany getting his stuck in his vaccum cleaner. Why he would shove that thing down there I have no idea.

[rosscoliosis]

@pizzaguy

There were actually many, the most well known besides Joan probably being Boadicea of the Iceni fighting the Romans.

Boadicea got pwned, lol. Roma victor!
There was a documentary on her on the History Channel awhile back, but the acting (of course) was horrid and she came off as an annoying wench. Still was fun learning/watching just how the Romans massacred her forces using their tight formations and then rolling over the routers with cavalry. Definitely inspired me to load up RTW immediately and try to recreate it, haha

[Orb]

There were extremely few cases in history where a lady would lead an army into battle. Not to be sexist, but it is a historical reality that women rarely served in battle or advanced in rank in the medieval period.

Although a queen may in fact be the sole ruler of a nation in some rare instances, she would be even less likely to be on the battlefield if she became queen. If a nation is so strapped for legitimate heirs to a throne that the queen becomes the sole ruler, she would not risk herself in battle.

Joan of Arc was the only female commander of an army who led troops on the battlefield, if I recall. My knowledge of history isn't what it should be, so anyone feel free to correct me.

Just off the top of my head, I can also recall Margaret of Anjou, the incompetent Boudicca, and maybe Robert Guiscard's wife Sichelgaita, who rallied his troops at Dyrrhachium. Another one would be Artemisia (fought on Xerxes' side at Salamis).

I have to agree that they were few and far between, though.

It brings up the point that there were many many laws through the ages prohibiting women from combat, and there would be no need for such laws if women did not participate in combat in the first place. Case in point: there is no law against setting your own genitals on fire because nobody does it, however there are laws against attempted suicide because people do.

Not a valid argument here. A law does not have to derive from an event. It'd seem unlikely that, given the cultural situations of the middle ages, that women combatants would be common.

[WhiskeyGhost]

It has been said before, that "Behind every great man is an even greater woman" Also, it would be neat if say the queen wasn't actually a combatant herself, but her guards were (as in she loses all guards, she is automatically captured)

[ReiseReise]

Not a valid argument here. A law does not have to derive from an event. It'd seem unlikely that, given the cultural situations of the middle ages, that women combatants would be common.

Women Knights in the Middle Ages http://www.heraldica.org/topics/orders/wom-kn.htm

[avery123]

Princesses ! ... What Princesses !

My friend has played as England up to what should be the end of the game, and I've been playing as the HRE up to 1207, and our factions have never had a Princess.

Please enlighten me. How are they spawned exactly?

[DVX BELLORVM]

Princesses ! ... What Princesses !

My friend has played as England up to what should be the end of the game, and I've been playing as the HRE up to 1207, and our factions have never had a Princess.

Please enlighten me. How are they spawned exactly?

The king's (and maybe faction hair's - I'm not sure) daughter that came of age while the king is still alive becomes a princess.
The muslim factions doesn't have a princesses.