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    Uneasy with Command Member Treverer's Avatar
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    Question Pontic Faction Leader Trait

    Hello there,

    being a great fan of the Pontic faction, I choose them first to play. But I'm afraid, the Leader did not have his "Faction Leader" Trait (either Basileus or something like it). He DID have his "Pontic Royal Family" Trait, and his Heir had both the "Heir" & "Pontic Royal family" Trait.

    I wondered why and after having taken a look at the respective database (export_descr_character_traits), I did not find anything that would give it to him. Fixing isn't the problem for me , I just wonder WHY the trait is absent.
    Towards the end of the book, the Moties quote an old story from Herodotus:

    "Once there was a thief who was to be executed. As he was taken away he made a bargain with the king: In one year he would teach the king's favorite horse to sing hymns."
    "The other prisoners watched the thief singing to the horse and laughed. 'You will not succeed,' they told him. 'No one can.' To which the thief replied, 'I have a year, and who knows what will happen in that time. The king might die. The horse might die. I might die. And perhaps the horse will learn to sing.'"

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    Default Re: Pontic Faction Leader Trait

    If that has something to do with the named character Bhumaka, I get an error message every time I shut the game down. It says Bhumaka is not a faction leader and has no father, so he has no ties to the family tree.
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    Default Re: Pontic Faction Leader Trait

    Help me, you speak of the first Pontic Leader (the one aged 70)? If so, well, I never had that problem. Just that he and all of his successors never had the FL/Basileus trait.

    On an older, now deleted install of EB, I ... modded (lol) the file mentioned above to give ALL Pontic leaders their trait. It wasn't that difficult.
    Towards the end of the book, the Moties quote an old story from Herodotus:

    "Once there was a thief who was to be executed. As he was taken away he made a bargain with the king: In one year he would teach the king's favorite horse to sing hymns."
    "The other prisoners watched the thief singing to the horse and laughed. 'You will not succeed,' they told him. 'No one can.' To which the thief replied, 'I have a year, and who knows what will happen in that time. The king might die. The horse might die. I might die. And perhaps the horse will learn to sing.'"

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    Default Re: Pontic Faction Leader Trait

    I just searched the respective file. No, Bhumaka is a character from the "Eleutheroi" Faction, the engine just uses the "Pontus" Sub-faction. What I mean is the "Pontos" Faction ("Carthage" Faction used by the engine).

    BTW, I have now a similar ... problem: when exiting EB, there's an error message saying that in line XYZ and column ABC, the trait is / will not be recognized . But nevertheless, my little "modding" ( ) works as designed.

    Last, but not least: un grand merci à toute l'equipe d'EB. (A big/great thank to the EB-team)

    Edit: Here's a copy/paste of what I did.

    Code:
    ;------------------------------------------
    ;Trait: Basileus
    ; o Basileus: <Influence>  2, <Law> 2, <Command> 1, <TroopMorale> 1 , <PersonalSecurity>  3
    
    Trait Basileus
        Characters family
        AntiTraits KleronomosBasileios
        AntiTraits Koiranides
        Level Basileus
            Description Basileus_desc
            EffectsDescription Basileus_effects_desc
            Threshold  1
    
            Effect Influence  2
            Effect Law  2
            Effect Command  1
            Effect TroopMorale  1
            Effect PersonalSecurity  3
    
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger Pontos_is_Basileus
        WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart
    
        Condition IsFactionLeader
             and Trait Basileus < 1
             and FactionType carthage
    
        Affects Basileus  1  Chance  100
        Affects Factionheir  1  Chance  100
        Affects Exheir  1  Chance  100
        Affects Noble  1  Chance  100
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger Pontos_Becomes_Basileus
        WhenToTest BecomesFactionLeader
    
        Condition Trait Pontos > 0
             and FactionType carthage
    
        Affects Basileus  1  Chance  100
    
    ;------------------------------------------
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    EDIT:
    Important Note: after adding the red text, I had CTDs and after removing them not anylonger. Strange ...
    Last edited by Treverer; 07-31-2007 at 01:49.
    Towards the end of the book, the Moties quote an old story from Herodotus:

    "Once there was a thief who was to be executed. As he was taken away he made a bargain with the king: In one year he would teach the king's favorite horse to sing hymns."
    "The other prisoners watched the thief singing to the horse and laughed. 'You will not succeed,' they told him. 'No one can.' To which the thief replied, 'I have a year, and who knows what will happen in that time. The king might die. The horse might die. I might die. And perhaps the horse will learn to sing.'"

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    Default Re: Pontic Faction Leader Trait

    FYI, if you put a CODE tag around the code it will be nicely displayed in a box, with monospaced font. You get it by clicking the # symbol on the toolbar.

    I thought this trigger would do the trick though, it's in the original file. Maybe Pontus has another culture type .

    Code:
    Trigger greek_is_Basileus
        WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart
    
        Condition IsFactionLeader
              and Trait Basileus < 1
              and not CultureType barbarian
              and not CultureType nomad
              and not CultureType eastern
              and not CultureType carthaginian
              and not FactionType greek_cities
              and not FactionType seleucid
              and not FactionType slave
              and not FactionType numidia
    
        Affects Basileus  1  Chance  100
        Affects Factionheir  1  Chance  100
        Affects Exheir  1  Chance  100
        Affects Noble  1  Chance  100
    
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger Becomes_Basileus
        WhenToTest BecomesFactionLeader
    
        Condition Trait Hellenic > 0
              and not FactionType romans_scipii
              and not FactionType greek_cities
              and not FactionType numidia
    
        Affects Basileus  1  Chance  100

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    Default Re: Pontic Faction Leader Trait

    Thx for your tip.

    And a question: What does "FYI" mean?

    EDIT: For Your Information

    And to answer your question: No, it does not , as there is

    Code:
    and not CultureType carthaginian
    which "blocks"/prevents the "Pontic" Faction from getting this trait . As I stated earlier above, the engine code for Pontos is "carthage".
    Last edited by Treverer; 07-30-2007 at 21:00.
    Towards the end of the book, the Moties quote an old story from Herodotus:

    "Once there was a thief who was to be executed. As he was taken away he made a bargain with the king: In one year he would teach the king's favorite horse to sing hymns."
    "The other prisoners watched the thief singing to the horse and laughed. 'You will not succeed,' they told him. 'No one can.' To which the thief replied, 'I have a year, and who knows what will happen in that time. The king might die. The horse might die. I might die. And perhaps the horse will learn to sing.'"

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