Some questions about pontos

[The Errant]

Sorry to be (too) curious, but what about some kinda "Kataphracts"? Did Pontos have them?

EDIT: question's a bit irrelevant though. Kataphracts can probably be recruited in the approprate provinces via the regional MICs. (ashes on my head)

Sorry. Pontos does not get Catas in the Parthian style. They will however get a heavy cavalry unit that will be most useful in the next build. It's quite powerful and with a wider recruitment zone than the Galatian Lavotuxri. Apart from that a few more interesting reagionals are coming for Pontos.

Treverer is right about the recruitment zones. Except for Trapezous. Pontic Homeland territory is most of Northern Asia Minor (modern Turkey) That's the settlements of Amaseia (your capital), Sinope, Trapezous, Ani-Kamah, Mazaka and Nikaia.

In the first five it's advisable to build factional MICs. The highest level will allow the recruitment of the Chalkaspidai (Pontic Elite Phalanx). In Ani-Kamah building a level 4 Reagional MIC will allow the recruitment of HA. HA are also available in the Armenian provinces to the East. And in the steppe provinces to the North. Remember this about Sinope and Trapezous. Only once your Factional MIC reaches a level 3 minimum will you be able to recruit any useful factional troops here. The higest level will give you access to the Chalkaspidai aswell as stone and arrow projectors in the Greek style. Building up to level 3 Reagional MICs in any Greek province is advisable. I found Classic Hoplites and Peltastai to be a very useful addition to my Pontic battle line.

Nikaia is another Homelands region. It's recruitment for factionals is a bit limited but you do get a number of Dacian reagionals. Including Drapanai shock infantry (falxmen). You also get access to Thracian Peltasts. Which double as shock infantry and Thrakikoi Prodromoi. The second best Medium Cavalry in the game. Nikaia also has two precious metal resources so mining there is very profitable.

Scythian Nobles can be recruited in the Crimea provinces. And some of the others North of the Black Sea. One of the most useful reagional units nearby are the Syrian Archers. They can be recruited in most provinces surrounding Syria. Armoured in scale mail they make a tough if somewhat slow archery unit that can double as decent melee fighters. As long as you keep in mind that there primary role is that of an archer. Not a swordsman. The second most useful reagional is a merc unit in Mesopotamia. The Babylonian Heavy Spearmen are a great and versatile unit. They can take on cavalry with their spears and they double as very effiecient shock infantry cause their secondary weapon is an AP mace.

You did realise that the secondary weapon of those Galatian Heavy Spearmen is the Celtic Longsword with a whopping .225 lethality. The spear is just for use against cavalry. If you're doing melee with them against any infantry use alt-click to change their weapons pronto.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Thrakikoi Prodromoi. The second best Medium Cavalry in the game.

What's the best in your opinion?

You did realise that the secondary weapon of those Galatian Heavy Spearmen is the Celtic Longsword with a whopping .225 lethality. The spear is just for use against cavalry. If you're doing melee with them against any infantry use alt-click to change their weapons pronto.

Alt-Clicking will make them use spear-only, it's their secondary weapon. You can't do anything to force them to use swords, just hope.

[The Errant]

What's the best in your opinion?


Alt-Clicking will make them use spear-only, it's their secondary weapon. You can't do anything to force them to use swords, just hope.

1. The best Medium Cavalry in the game is the Sabaean Citizen Cavalry. They got better armour, the horses have excellent speed and stamina. Plus their secondary weapons are longswords which gives them superb lethality in melee. They are a bit more expensive than the Thrakikoi Prodromoi but they are overall somewhat better.

2.

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mount_effect     elephant -1
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stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         11, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 0 ,0.225
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         12, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  12, 9, 3, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        5
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, -1
stat_mental      13, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 2013, 503, 80, 130, 2013
ownership        carthage, romans_julii, seleucid, macedon, slave

My bad. It seems the sword is primary and not secondary weapon. Anyway this puts the Kuarothoroi on par with Macedonian and Seleukid Hypaspistai. Basically a heavy phalangite that can fight extremely well in a melee. Just remember to use the sword against infantry and the spear against cavalry.

edit. If you can't make the sword work it's propably a glitch the team will have to fix in the next build. This is how the unit looks in my EDU. And from the looks of things they aren't half bad with that sword of theirs.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

1. The best Medium Cavalry in the game is the Sabaean Citizen Cavalry. They got better armour, the horses have excellent speed and stamina. Plus their secondary weapons are longswords which gives them superb lethality in melee. They are a bit more expensive than the Thrakikoi Prodromoi but they are overall somewhat better.

I didn't encounter those Sabeans yet. In my current epic campaign they are my only allies after Suebi and Romani betrayed me, so I won't face them soon.

2. My bad. It seems the sword is primary and not secondary weapon. Anyway this puts the Kuarothoroi on par with Macedonian and Seleukid Hypaspistai. Basically a heavy phalangite that can fight extremely well in a melee. Just remember to use the sword against infantry and the spear against cavalry.

They are superb, and I use them in all of my four field armies as I limited the Hypaspistai to accompany the King, for roleplaying purpose.

[The Errant]

I didn't encounter those Sabeans yet. In my current epic campaign they are my only allies after Suebi and Romani betrayed me, so I won't face them soon.


They are superb, and I use them in all of my four field armies as I limited the Hypaspistai to accompany the King, for roleplaying purpose.

Saba and Pontos have one thing in common. Both reach their true potential trough reagionals.

For the Pontics it's the Galatian reagionals in Asia Minor. Though they do get access to Greek, Eastern, Dacian and Steppe reagionals aswell.

For the Sabaeans it's the Ethiopian reagionals that boost up their army. With elephants and the Ethiopian Guard, plus Galatian Kleruchoi they become a truly powerful faction.

The Sabaean Medium is great. I use them to hunt down enemy generals. The Hetairoi can match their charge but once they get bogged down in a melee they are toast. And the Citizen Cavalry has both the speed and stamina to run down those pesky greek generals.

I don't use the Kuarothoroi much. I do well enough with Pontos without them. Even so they are good. I love the Pontic faction. They are so versatile. And apart from the Casse it's the only faction that teaches you proper use of chariots. I love charging the new heavies in after the chariots have run trough an enemy unit. It's simply brutal. But fun. Lots of fun.

[Trax]

My bad. It seems the sword is primary and not secondary weapon. Anyway this puts the Kuarothoroi on par with Macedonian and Seleukid Hypaspistai. Basically a heavy phalangite that can fight extremely well in a melee. Just remember to use the sword against infantry and the spear against cavalry.

I see no anti cavalry bonus in the EDU no mount_effect, spear_bonus, spear or light_spear. This unit has no bonuses against cavalry.