What Factions In Eb Do we know the least about?

[sass]

I'm thinking getai and saba.

I've been doing some reading about thracian tombs Did getai have such tombs as are being found for the thracians? I think it would be cool to have a building in the getai capital like the pontic kings tombs and one for getai and i've done some reading about saba, and the account in the bible where a queen from saba. We know for a fact that Cleo wasent black she was greek..Im also thinking the queen from saba was an arab and not african and black? anyone know anymore on this?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Saba/Sheba/Sabyn had many incarnations, rising and falling. The Sheba from the Bible isn't necessarily the same exact people, though most likely related. I always think of the Queen of Sheba as an Arab queen. It is also an issue of national pride for many peoples and has an emotional argument to it.

[sass]

Well true, But i've done some reading and found that she was indeed from one of the saba tribes..but quiet some time of course before this game comes about, I know saba had land in africa but i'm doutful if any of there royal family was african..Knowing how arabs view outsiders today and then i think it would be highly doutful also i read that isreal at the time had large trade deals..I'm not willing with out proof that she was african..I'm no more racist then the next fella but Arabs do not like to mix with none arab races and this thinking has never changed. Slaves yes..boots for there military yes as did eygpt and carthage etc..Arabs have sought to keep pure blood lines in there familys..Please don't flame me just looking for ideas..

I was watching a program on the Bio channel about Cleopatra and Knowing since the time she was alive that her and her family where white greeks from europe why anyone would think she was purely black? And haveing all these black culturel folks on there talking about this and that partaining to her..the same people who say christ was black lol Makes one wonder about the crediablity of Bio channel and the histroy channel after seeing that..Never ending sorce of amusement..

[KARTLOS]

you seem to have very false ideas about the arabs, they have never been into racial segragation in any big way, have you ever been to an "arabic" country? its is fairly obvious thqat alot of racial mixing has occured.

[sass]

you seem to have very false ideas about the arabs, they have never been into racial segragation in any big way, have you ever been to an "arabic" country? its is fairly obvious thqat alot of racial mixing has occured.

Yes i have worked and lived..But this has nouthing to do with the topic..

But for the most part most groups that are there now dont represent the time where talking about now..the pre-islamic arabia..and even now most of the people who live in the middle east are blacks working or migrents trying to get out of africa..there not treated very well and the arabs greatly dislike people who are not arab this is not made up but fact. case in point in saudi arabia thy genrealy dislike non arab muslims or converts..and thy look down on blacks and whites, the point is that thy keep to them selfs and only import what thy need for there dayly lives and people to work for them..this is true today as well..And to a certen degree today..if you where non arab cought in there territory you'd be killed most travels that went to arabia didnet stay long for obvious reasians not to unlike today in some areas its not safe and the climent isent very friendly when sabas water supplys and dams gave out thy left...

Mohammed and others like him had a less then favirable opinion of anyone non arab expeasly blacks..he had a few distasteful names for them that i won't put in the forum..

The topic was about what EB factians do we know not much about..and about getai and the royal tombs..that was my questian..

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There is more info on the Getai than Sweboz, for example

[QwertyMIDX]

The Sabaeans also weren't arabs. They were a non-arab semitic people.

[Calypze]

The Sabaeans also weren't arabs. They were a non-arab semitic people.

Is that really correct? Didn't they speak a South Arabian language?

As for the OP, I would say it is the Sauromatae or the Saka Rauka. We don't even know what the Sauromatae called themselves.

[The Errant]

Little in the way of facts are known about the Sabaeans. I remember Illustrated Science magazine having one good article regarding it. It depicted a map that showed the maximum extent of their holdings/culture. Most of Southern Arabia, Ethiopia and parts of Nubia.

How accurate that map is though is anybodys best guess. I don't think the local script has even been translated fully.

What is for certain known about them was that they were traders, much like the Phoenicians. They were extremely skilled farmers and engineers (The Marib dam) and as a consequence of having efficient irrigation methods, they evolved into a highly urbanized society.

They had holdings on both sides of the Red Sea. It's not certain to what extent they controlled Ethiopia inland but the coast had several colonies. They traded in spice and incense with Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Judea, Persia and later the Hellenic and Roman worlds.

The best account of what the region was like, is the records of a failed Roman expedition to conquer them.

Some excavations on Marib or Maryab have been made. Unfortunately the beduin tribes like to use the ancient ruins for target practice with their assault rifles, and for running them over with jeeps. The region is very unstable which dosen't help the archeologists who want to dig around.

What is known for certain is that when the old dam broke, the region became a desert and most of the population emigrated. This happened maybe a century at most before the rise of Mohammed and Islam.

Sadly the Arabs native to region today have very little respect for the time predating the rise of Islam. Much the same way the current Iranian regime has next to no respect for the achievements of ancient Persia.

When the new dam was built in the late seventies/early eighties the wells that had stood dry for close to two millenia suddenly flooded. In the tales of a Thousand and One Night both the Sabaeans and their dam is described as a virtual paradise rising from the otherwise dead desert. The dam broke because the Sabaeans turned away from God. Divine vengeance and all that.

That sums up most of what I know or think I know about them. The EB team has many historians that know a lot more than I do. I once asked why the Sabaeans in EB had such a limited unit roster. The answer was, that do to lack of reference material they simply don't know what sort of troops they employed. Hopefully some new units will find their way in.

Apart from that I think the team has made a tremendous effort in depicting a civilization that isn't all that well known *Bows to the EB team*. For all their limitations they are a great faction and the mod would be poorer without them.

Thank you! For having them in the game.

[sass]

Little in the way of facts are known about the Sabaeans. I remember Illustrated Science magazine having one good article regarding it. It depicted a map that showed the maximum extent of their holdings/culture. Most of Southern Arabia, Ethiopia and parts of Nubia.

How accurate that map is though is anybodys best guess. I don't think the local script has even been translated fully.

What is for certain known about them was that they were traders, much like the Phoenicians. They were extremely skilled farmers and engineers (The Marib dam) and as a consequence of having efficient irrigation methods, they evolved into a highly urbanized society.

They had holdings on both sides of the Red Sea. It's not certain to what extent they controlled Ethiopia inland but the coast had several colonies. They traded in spice and incense with Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Judea, Persia and later the Hellenic and Roman worlds.

The best account of what the region was like, is the records of a failed Roman expedition to conquer them.

Some excavations on Marib or Maryab have been made. Unfortunately the beduin tribes like to use the ancient ruins for target practice with their assault rifles, and for running them over with jeeps. The region is very unstable which dosen't help the archeologists who want to dig around.

What is known for certain is that when the old dam broke, the region became a desert and most of the population emigrated. This happened maybe a century at most before the rise of Mohammed and Islam.

Sadly the Arabs native to region today have very little respect for the time predating the rise of Islam. Much the same way the current Iranian regime has next to no respect for the achievements of ancient Persia.

When the new dam was built in the late seventies/early eighties the wells that had stood dry for close to two millenia suddenly flooded. In the tales of a Thousand and One Night both the Sabaeans and their dam is described as a virtual paradise rising from the otherwise dead desert. The dam broke because the Sabaeans turned away from God. Divine vengeance and all that.

That sums up most of what I know or think I know about them. The EB team has many historians that know a lot more than I do. I once asked why the Sabaeans in EB had such a limited unit roster. The answer was, that do to lack of reference material they simply don't know what sort of troops they employed. Hopefully some new units will find their way in.

Apart from that I think the team has made a tremendous effort in depicting a civilization that isn't all that well known *Bows to the EB team*. For all their limitations they are a great faction and the mod would be poorer without them.

Thank you! For having them in the game.

Ah Yes! I Rember the thousend and one nights story now i dug out my copy haha... the desert hides its secerts well..and presurves them better then most sites in the world..I'm Pretty hopeful from experince that modren nomadic peoples will not completly distroy and will ignertly brang in items of intrest thy think worth money..

P.s. I asked the doc in our group where the sabains simetic he said no, but alot of territory owned by them could have had large populatians of them.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

P.s. I asked the doc in our group where the sabains simetic he said no, but alot of territory owned by them could have had large populatians of them.

Uh, what groups of Arabic peoples are *not* Semitic? Linguistically, ethnically, and culturally, Semites include south arabians and northern arabs both. What is he a doctor of?

[sass]

Uh, what groups of Arabic peoples are *not* Semitic? Linguistically, ethnically, and culturally, Semites include south arabians and northern arabs both. What is he a doctor of?

Note the smiley i was makeing, My vain attempt at being sarcastic

[Geoffrey S]

I'd suppose a big problem with Saba is the extreme unwillingness of many modern Arabs (and particularly the more powerful ones, whose authority depends on religion) to accurately find out what Arabia was like prior to the rise of Islam, or even in its early years. So much hinges on how the Koran and early biographers of Mohammed depict the chaotic, 'godless' years before the rise of the Islam I guess quite a few are scared witless that what archeological evidence shows will contradict what they have been led to believe. To the detriment of real knowledge, and unfortunately also to the evolution of Islam as a whole.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Note the smiley i was makeing, My vain attempt at being sarcastic

Gotcha - sorry mate.

[Intranetusa]

^ btw, why do you keep mentioning that Cleopatra wasn't black? We know she wasn't black. She was Greek. And the vast majority of Egyptians aren't black either.

[sass]

^ btw, why do you keep mentioning that Cleopatra wasn't black? We know she wasn't black. She was Greek. And the vast majority of Egyptians aren't black either.

Read the first few posts and follow along from person to person and you will pick up a pattern of why and what the topic is..follow along dont cherry pic words..

Ie..The queen of saba the one in the bible..i made referance to being arab rather then black.. from africa..and following that i was pokeing fun more of a side comment to the fact that on the biogifey channel show about cleopatra thy where talking about her being black..and from africa totaly ignoreing her family tree etc..more or less i was pokeing fun at there historical igernce..To be honest i think thy know but chose to believe what thy want becouse africa has few hero perseanlitys in history..not that cleo was a hero but she is known around the world..as was said by anouther post its a subject of nationl and ethnic feeling and emotian..the same wackos who say jesus was black where do these people come from?

I had made a comment and asked questians and then after that got into a bit of a self rant lol happens from time to time sorry

[sass]

Gotcha - sorry mate.

No worries, Ive been slightly drunk in here the last few days, reading back at my spelling and tone my humor must be drying up or i'm being worked to hard

[KARTLOS]

havent you read black athena?

this explains clearly that the ancient greeks were black. so cleopatra being greek doesnt prove she was white -it proves she was black!

everything you have learned in history is a whitewash, a delibewrate misdirection to hide black peoples governing role in shaping civilization (jk).

[sass]

Ive Al Sharpton on speed dile Jk

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Many say that "Sheba" mentioned in the Bible isn't "Saba". Not much detail is given in the Bible and some say that it is just an incorrect spelling or wrong idea. Some say that it is really "Shewa", an area in Eithiopia. Although, most educated people agree that "Sheba" mentioned in the Bible is actually refering to "Saba".

[sass]

Many say that "Sheba" mentioned in the Bible isn't "Saba". Not much detail is given in the Bible and some say that it is just an incorrect spelling or wrong idea. Some say that it is really "Shewa", an area in Eithiopia. Although, most educated people agree that "Sheba" mentioned in the Bible is actually refering to "Saba".

As you prob know i agree with the last part, A mistake maybe..But i highly dout it educated people wrote the text and these kingdoms where still around when thy where writen down, Hmm i wonder if she was hot or had a willy worm eye brow

[QwertyMIDX]

Is that really correct? Didn't they speak a South Arabian language?

Yes that is really correct. They spoke a semitic language that was closer to Hebrew than Arabic but is really more like another branch of the linguistic family. The term for the branch is Old South Arabian which is part of the Western branch of South Semitic languages. Its called Old South Arabian because of the geographical area Arabia, not because of a direct connection to classical Arabic.

Their script is pretty well deciphered at this point, there are only a handful of people who know it but one could learn if they had the time and dedication.

[Intranetusa]

and following that i was pokeing fun more of a side comment to the fact that on the biogifey channel show about cleopatra thy where talking about her being black..

biogifey? XD