Phalanx

[Abokasee]

The MTW:2 pikemen are pathetic, the only worth while ones are, Scots noble pikemen, Adventuros (Not to be confused with Aventuriers, there French crossbowmen) Tercio Pikemen (Pushing it now slightly) Swiss Pikemen (If you can find them!)

Halberds are little better, I rarely use these, the only good ones are, Swiss Guard (But only papal states get them!) Janissary Heavy Infantry (Ok ok, they can't do the phalanx but they still kick ass) Voulgiers (If there upgrad as best you can and don't rout then they'll be ok) all the others will suck, I am Forgetting sword-staff militia because... there just not very good in phalanx

[antisocialmunky]

M2TW phalanxes suck so badly that its not even funny. Also, is there any way to revert it back to RTW style by changing hte animation, I don't want my pez looking forming up like the swiss.

[The Wicked]

Well the guys in Broken crecent have done a very good job with the pikemen except their stats which are worst than peasants

[mAIOR]

I'm getting scared about hearing people using FM to charge pikes from the front... I think that's suicidal. If you get unlucky your FM will die faster than you can tell.

I always flank the phalanxes in EB. In MTWII I don't bother. I just send some heavy infantry (like Varingian guard) and they'll shop them to poeces.


Cheers...

[Perturabo]

I'm getting scared about hearing people using FM to charge pikes from the front... I think that's suicidal. If you get unlucky your FM will die faster than you can tell.

I always flank the phalanxes in EB. In MTWII I don't bother. I just send some heavy infantry (like Varingian guard) and they'll shop them to poeces.


Cheers...

I said that it was possible, not that it was a good idea

[antisocialmunky]

That does bring up the point that FMs in M2TW are really into impaling themselves(must have been a trait inheritted from their fore fathers) and big phalanx armies might cause some issues.

[Perturabo]

The problem is of course, that without decent phalanx availablilty, all greek factions would become Romans, using heavy infantry i.e. Theurepori (sorry about lousy spelling) and cavalry almost entirely. Why waste time on broken phalanx that are likely to be expensive and useless?

I am however encouraged by reports of mods such as 'Broken Crescent' where phalanx are semi decent I have no doubt the excellent EB team will be able to replicate this and better.

Just a note to Abokasee who wrote:

"Halberds are little better, I rarely use these, the only good ones are, Swiss Guard (But only papal states get them!) Janissary Heavy Infantry (Ok ok, they can't do the phalanx but they still kick ass)"

In M2TW my favourite unit is the eastern Halberd Militia. Not quite as good as Janissary, obviously, but are easily and cheaply recruitable by Egypt even, and absolutely kick ass if used properly. Line them up in front of a crusader army, get the charge and all you will do for the rest of the battle is run down routers.
French Voulgiers aren't too bad either, but I used to wonder why they got slaughtered by cavalry all the time until I found out about the animation bug (they won't fight hand to hand with cavalry in older versions of the game, not sure about more recent patches). Not a bad game even in vanilla really, but some of the bugs are just incredible. Why CA, just WHY???