Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I especially don't care about military parades and who did what when. All I care about is a peaceful Europe of befriended nations who don't give in to the madness ever again.


Quote Originally Posted by cegorach
Of course NOT. On personal level I have no problem with that, but this is history and we must learn from it.
And you obviously didn't. One thing we can learn from history is that people and entire nations can change, might also have to do with the fact that governments change. you however are saying the French and British were unreliable today just because they were more than 60 years ago. and concerning Germans and WW2, I'm sorry "we" ever did that, but I don't personally feel guilty or think I owe anyone anything. That's why I also don't like nationalism based on the great deeds of ancestors, quite simply, the great deeds of you ancestors might make them great, but greatness is not genetical so they don't make you great. It's the same with football/soccer/any sport, people try to stick to a team and think it somehow makes them better/greater if the team wins even theough their own participation was limited to sitting passively in front of a TV screen.

Or in other words, just because Bismarck was a great German(IMO), doesn't mean that Hitler was a great German as well, despite him thinking so. Even worse, he thought Germans were great because of the middle ages and created one of the biggest wars ever on that.

Yeah, I have a habit to avoid sticking to a group that creates outsiders because I usually like the other people as well. I know that makes me great, but it has nothing to do with my ancestors.