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    Ever catch yourself either drawing and EB unit or a "what-if" unit that could have existed in the EB frame ?

    I've personally drawn the Sweboz frameman and lancer man . For a made up eastern unit in the period I drew an armored sparabara (farsi speaker what would be the word for armored ? It would look cooler for the caption.)


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    farsi speaker what would be the word for armored ?
    "Zradha" , "Zereh" = Armor

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    kambiz even though your a native speaker how hard is it to change the tense of a verb in farsi ? Do you have to debate on which tense to use if you used another tense in the same sentence ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by russia almighty
    kambiz even though your a native speaker how hard is it to change the tense of a verb in farsi ? Do you have to debate on which tense to use if you used another tense in the same sentence ?
    Sorry my english is not good (It's terrible infact) and didn't exactly find out your question (tense)?
    However ,the word "Zradha" is an early Pahlavi parsi word. Check some Pahlavi units : "Zradha Pahlavan" ,"Zradha Shivatir". But "Zereh" used(And still using) in late Sassani Parsi. Nowadays we say "Zereh-dar" or "Zerehpoosh" or "Joshandar" or "Ruin-tan" = Armored

    ThePersianCataphract may explains better

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    Tense means the timing of the verb:

    To do (infinitive)
    I do (present tense)
    I did (past tense)
    I have done (err... beyond my English. Called perfektum in Norwegian )

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    I do (present tense
    I shall do (future tense)
    I was doing (imperfect tense)
    I did (perfect tense)
    I will have done (future perfect tense)
    I had done (pluperfect tense)

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    Yeah but you have to keep in mind that some tenses in some languages don't directly correspond with their foreign counterparts.

    For example, the perfectum is a classic pitfall. Or rather, how to use it is a classic pitfall.
    Ancient Greeks or Romans would've used it to describe something finished. English on the other hand would use the perfectum to describe a process from the past that's still going on to day - and it would use the imperfectum to describe everything completely finished.
    Germans use it for imperfectum, with certain exceptions. (I was, remains Ich war - but I have done is the same as I did: Ich hab(e) gemacht)
    And to get all your confusion cooking: what about the Dutch? Well, it's completely mixed up! It's hard to pinpoint the do's and don't's with the Dutch perfectum, but it always is (annoyingly) clear when you use it the wrong way in front of a Dutch audience who've been brought up with Dutch as their mothertongue. Basically it's a mix of the English with the German and and a some Greek & Latin for added flavour. So, this is the Dutch equivalent of the Greek Aoristus (litteraly: boundless). And then to think that there is one tense yet even more complex in Dutch: the praesens (present)... English prefectum, French future proche, future, present, present continuous.... Difficult.
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    Sorry about that. Err... Well... I've never drawn any unit, how's that for on topic .

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    i have but i don't have a scanner so...
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    Actually "Zradha" is Avestan for "armour"; The Pahlav word for armour is actually "Zrh", very similarly to modern Prs. Now Iranian languages do not exactly rely on verbal tenses in order to describe a unit, but rather plays around with adjectives in combinations. For instance let us take the phrase "Tabargn rnshahr", meaning "Iranian axe-bearers" or "Axe-bearers of rnshahr" if one will. As we can see what binds the axeman to a nation is the use of -, - or integrated , or in certain cases diaeresis denoting and , fulfilling the English grammatical features "of" and "-y", "-ey", "-esque" and the binder "with" and so forth (Think in terms of adverbs).

    The word for "armoured" in Pahlav would therefore depend on what you'd like to put first. If "armoured shield-bearer" is the deal, then we have the following combinations:

    "Sprburdar Zrhgng" -> translit. Shield-bearer wearing armour -> Armoured Shield-bearer

    or

    Payhdg- Zrhgng pd Spr -> translit. Infrantry wearing armour with shield -> Armoured infantry with shield

    The former is preferred, it's less obtuse and has more fluidity to it. With the latter confusion may arise if the infantry wears armour with a shield... Besides the adjective bending on "Zrhgng" is illegal anyways

    On the question of strict usage of tenses in common conversation, one is usually very explicit in Prs. A speaker may utilize a greater range of verbal tenses due to the fact that entire sentences work like chains. As long as one chain remains uniform with the phrases within, no grammatical error can be made unless deliberately or due to inexperience. Watch this:

    I do (present tense) -> Mikonam
    I shall do (future tense) -> Mikonam
    I was doing (imperfect tense) -> Mikardam
    I did (perfect tense) - Kardam
    I will have done (future perfect tense) -> Mikardam
    I had done (pluperfect tense) - Mikardam

    Thus tenses do not merely rely on verbs; They do also rely on the entire structure of bending of nouns and adjectives. The "chain" so to speak retains a uniform "harmony" to it, like a choir singing in unison. In difference to English where nouns often may remain in nominative state, in Prs nouns and adjectives are linked together through binding terms. In other words, trying to chart Iranian grammar is a bitch


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    I've made a couple of drawings. One a sketch and the other I have not finished.

    I don't like to do "what if units". I like to make units that really existed so I use my EB screenshots as a reference.

    and thats another reason why I say EB IS THE S****!!!!!!!!!!

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    I once drew a Sabaen Noble Swordsman, but it looks rather cartoony. I'm not a good artist, if it comes to painting actual humans.

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    TPC , thats not as bad as Amharic . That crap is in the suicide is your only option category of charting grammar .


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Persian Cataphract
    Actually "Zradha" is Avestan for "armour"; The Pahlav word for armour is actually "Zrh", very similarly to modern Prs.
    If "Zradha" is an Avestan Parsi word Not a Pahlavi ,So why did you use it for Pahlavi units??? Don't you think we can use the word "Ruin" instead ? So the "Zradha Pahlavan" ,"Zradha Shivatir" would become "Ruiin Pahlavan" and "Ruiin Shivatir". they are better ,aren't?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Persian Cataphract
    I do (present tense) -> Mikonam
    I shall do (future tense) -> Mikonam
    I was doing (imperfect tense) -> Mikardam
    I did (perfect tense) - Kardam
    I will have done (future perfect tense) -> Mikardam
    I had done (pluperfect tense) - Mikardam
    Though many here do not have any interests in Parsi ,But at least one our friends here is learning Parsi "the_Celt" ,So we should be careful to not confuse him Eh well ,My grammer was never good but mate ,I think you are a little bit wrong. Check this out :

    I do (present tense) -> Mikonam
    I shall do (future tense) -> Khaham kard
    I was doing (imperfect tense) -> Mikardeh'am
    I did (perfect tense) - Kardam
    I will have done (future perfect tense) -> Mikardam
    I had done (pluperfect tense) - Kardeh'am

    am i right?

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    Well Kambiz, those units happened to be around before I had joined the team, and even then there was a lot of debate if the names were all that legitimate. Without giving away too much, let us just say I took care of things

    Quote Originally Posted by Kambiz
    Eh well ,My grammer was never good but mate ,I think you are a little bit wrong. Check this out :

    I do (present tense) -> Mikonam
    I shall do (future tense) -> Khaham kard
    I was doing (imperfect tense) -> Mikardeh'am
    I did (perfect tense) - Kardam
    I will have done (future perfect tense) -> Mikardam
    I had done (pluperfect tense) - Kardeh'am

    am i right?
    Heh, I had completely forgotten some of these (Khham Kard... Wow, it's been ages), though in all honesty the rest may differ from "lahj" to "lahj". Y'see, I'm from Khzestn, so the vernacular is a tad quicker. "Mikardeh'am" therefore sounds a lot like "Mikardam". Oh well, I blame tequila shots


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    I draw, and sometimes I draw my idea of warriors from the past... and of course that can be greatly influenced by EB due to their awesome portrayal of the 272 BC and on Europe/Middle-East...

    I'd love to make a drawing or two for EB, but as they are this late in development and I am not part of the team, I don't know how useful my art would be or if it'd be appreciated / used. I guess it's worth a shot though...
    perhaps a Saka general? or an Indian prince? or a tribal warrior from North Africa? Just thinking of a few interesting and less developed areas of the EB map...

    of course there's been incredible work done and art drawn already, so again, not sure what impact my drawing would do


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    Don't even ask me what was up with the immortal . I tried making a metal face mask to go with the Metal helmet .


    Anyway I present to you a pic I drew while stoned .

    https://s121.photobucket.com/albums/...nt=drawing.jpg

    another one I found in my book

    https://s121.photobucket.com/albums/...=lastscan2.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Persian Cataphract
    I'm from Khûzestân
    Eyy val ,Pas bache jonubi Karet dorost Vulec
    Rasti Ario joon ,Man barat ye PM'e dige dadam. Albate kheili mohem nist. Tosh neveshtam ke age mishe zoodtar kare record ro shoro konin chon man be zoodi bayad beram Sarbazi Va maloom nist kei ,Shayad ta 2-3 hatfte'ye dige shayadam chand mahe dige. Ine ke age mishe zoodtar anjamesh bedim ,Chon mikham natijash ro dar version baadie EB bebinam Damet garm !
    Quote Originally Posted by russia almighty
    I present to you a pic I drew while stoned .
    Hehe nice one mate ,I like them Only the shield for "Spârburdarê Zrêhgânîg" should be a little bit larger Imo ,But the picture is very close to what I always suppose an Iranian medium spearman could have been

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    You barbarians and your ethnicy speak (I am joking here . I do this to anyone speaking in a foreign language . Though I usually say it in Spanish or French for a prissy snob effect) .


    And one that takes a punch at TPC .

    https://s121.photobucket.com/albums/...=lastscan3.jpg


    I'll have one for a certain Greek user too . One involving these bad boys kicking some Greek ass and taking names.

    My idea is that you'll have a few of these bad boys running . One of the swordsmen pwning a hoplite and a spearman shield classed with a hoplite .
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    sorry shameless sig test
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    Quote Originally Posted by russia almighty
    And one that takes a punch at TPC
    Hehe very nice almighty though of course they are fantacy ! But you're encourage me to draw something ,though my drawing skills is zero (= Terrible)

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