Yay for vigilantes!

**The_Mark** · 08-19-2007, 22:43

I'm glad I live in the US of A, where people are not prohibited by police state governments from working together to improve their lives.

I, for one, am content in living in a country where we don't need a citizens' militia.

Admittedly, though, I'd have a militia over nothing were there a need, provided the militia doesn't get out of the line.

**Tribesman** · 08-19-2007, 23:10

I'm glad I live in the US of A, where people are not prohibited by police state governments from working together to improve their lives.

So you are glad you don't live in North Korea , big deal .

Wow a neighbourhood watch that will call the police , how innovative .

Let's hope this is a sign of increasing citizen initiative and self-reliability, and a sign of a lessening of fears spurred by anti-gun groups emotionalism and lies.

What about the "vigilante" who says that carrying guns will just lead to the criminals getting bigger guns ?
I suppose he must be one those who are spurred by lies eh .

**Pannonian** · 08-19-2007, 23:13

I'm a bit confused here. I understand the need for vigilantes to work with cops, but why are they doing they work in broad daylight? Shouldn't daytime be used to discuss other people's guilt, with their subsequent "activity" confined to nighttime? Also, isn't a bit dangerous to go around revealing their identities?

**Marshal Murat** · 08-19-2007, 23:31

Originally Posted by Pannonian

Also, isn't a bit dangerous to go around revealing their identities?

If you have something to fear from the criminals, sure. Any violent action on the criminal's part would probably cause a stronger police reaction.

Originally Posted by STFS

This kind of citzen watch groups always end badly.

It would be better if they carried the non-lethal pepper-spray guns and tasers.

If they want to patrol the area, good luck and good hunting. If the criminals have to hide something then they will get bigger guns but larger guns means some dealings that require the FBI or policemen.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 08-20-2007, 00:16

Originally Posted by Marshal Murat

If you have something to fear from the criminals, sure. Any violent action on the criminal's part would probably cause a stronger police reaction.

Pannonian was giving you the mafia-player's take on things Marshall.

Gotcha.

**Pannonian** · 08-20-2007, 00:18

Originally Posted by Marshal Murat

If you have something to fear from the criminals, sure. Any violent action on the criminal's part would probably cause a stronger police reaction.

The criminals are killers, that's why they were noticed in the first place. Police can establish guilt, but they can't do much else, unless they're allowed to turn vigilante. Anyway, we all know that, useful though vigilantes can be, it is the lynch mob that is the main weapon in dealing with gangs in the neighbourhood.

**Husar** · 08-19-2007, 23:28

What I see here is a police with no balls. If there was crime in my area and police were too afraid to go there, I'd also try to found something similar. But so far that hasn't happened, so as long as the policemen do their job, I don't see the need fo such a militia.

**Crazed Rabbit** · 08-19-2007, 23:57

Originally Posted by The_Mark

I, for one, am content in living in a country where we don't need a citizens' militia.

Oh, so you have no crime in your country then?

This kind of citzen watch groups always end badly.

Bah, you're just miffed you couldn't do the same thing in Texas.

It would be better if they carried the non-lethal pepper-spray guns and tasers.

Why? So they couldn't defend themselves as well?

You missed a bit to bold:

Less than 6% of the group thinks that - hmmm.

It seems people are confused about 'bigger guns' - do you guys actually think they criminals will just get larger caliber weapons, and that somehow these are automatically more effective?

Crazed Rabbit

**Husar** · 08-20-2007, 00:08

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Oh, so you have no crime in your country then?

I can't really talk for him but I guess he lives in a country where the police do their job. Whether you have two neighborhood watch guys patrol a street or two policemen is pretty much the same. If the police doesn't do that for some reason, then they're not doing their job properly and you should elect some minority party like the green party at the next elections until someone makes them patrol the street again.

It's a bit harder with a two-party system especially if both parties won't make them patrol more, but then maybe it's time for some bigger changes.
Well, or you can form such neighborhood patrols which might or might not help, depending on how criminals react to them. Soon they will have to establish CSI teams though, which can be quite expensive, or do they just plan to execute the next best suspect if a murder happened?

**HoreTore** · 08-20-2007, 01:21

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Oh, so you have no crime in your country then?

I am not sure, there might not be any, but I have a vague memory of one house in my old neighborhood who got robbed 10 years or so ago. If that happened, then that is the only crime that has ever taken place there, at least in the 16 years I lived there. The rest of my life I've lived in the army and in a farming district, so no real neighborhood.

Although the Royal Marines stirred quite a lot of trouble at the(only) local pub in my army year. But they got their ass kicked by the british MP's in no time...