New Total War game announced!

[Remco]

This dutch site just posted info on the new Total Ware game! Empire: Total War. There will be naval battles! I will post a translation as soon as possible.

http://www.gamer.nl/doc/41280

EDIT: There are 2 screenshots of naval battles

[bovi]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...70570&skip=yes

[Remco]

Now that I see the article you linked to, I don't think I need to translate anymore. If anyone wants the translation anyway, please ask.

[hoom]

Oh My!

Trireme Battles here we come for EB3

[Cybvep]

Sounds like a revolution, and an interesting period, indeed... But there is too little info to judge or predict anything right now...

[Remco]

I think ETW will be even harder to mod since it's mostly based on long range warfare, not hand to hand as RTW and MTW2 are. But I agree it's to early to know these things already.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Hope they keep the old formations, otherwise EB3 is going to have a hard time there.

[Trax]

Hope they keep the old formations, otherwise EB3 is going to have a hard time there.

It's a new engine so I doubt they will.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Sadly, I will have to agree with you Trax - the formations were only left in M2:TW due to it being on the same engine as Rome. It's too early to gather any knowledge about the modability from the previews though, so let's just hope for the best.

BTW, the .Org has opened up a forum for E:TW. You can find this new residence here.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Yeah I agree there. It would be the extreme of wishful thinking to even presume they might be in.

But that's not everything: to use the naval battles properly, EB would have to dump the Engine delivered formations and insert its own. (Diekplous etc.) Just how much chance of happening does that have?

Anyway, let's not worry about EB3 when there hasn't been even a single EB2 release yet.

[Shigawire]

Well, I think it's awesome none the less.

[Azazel]

Wow it sounds awesome. The whole fighting armies on faraway lands looks cool. However, EB will always be on my computer, the historical research present is just so cool

[hoom]

Hope they keep the old formations, otherwise EB3 is going to have a hard time there.

Indeed.
The article says that the period starts with 'sharpened sticks & swords' & I think that there should be at least some historical justification for including some sword & pike units, thus the formations/animations.

[Trax]

Swedish army had considerable amount of pikemen even in the Great Northern War, so there is a slight chance that we will see a special pike formation.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well, I think it's awesome none the less.

True. Having buildings on the battle field that can be strategically used (apart from the blunt wall & tower taking in assaults); and having naval battles should make for some pretty exciting game.

[Warmaster Horus]

Well, while the news of a new total war game is always welcome, I'm worrying a bit.
EB is at 0.9. EB2 isn't even started (being modded, that is). And now there's a new game out? I wonder as to the reaction of the EB team members.

[Ypoknons]

My first question was "what will this mean for EB?", but it's really impossible to say at this stage, I'd imagine, since all we can do is speculate what the engine will and will not do. Hopefully EB members won't be discouraged by the fact that MTW2 is "obsolete".

Still, it's a bigger problem for the Lordz since they now have more direct competition. I'm sure they'll continue their thing, though.

[Elminster12]

Well, while the news of a new total war game is always welcome, I'm worrying a bit.
EB is at 0.9. EB2 isn't even started (being modded, that is). And now there's a new game out? I wonder as to the reaction of the EB team members.

Probably the same as their reaction to M2:TW, I wager...

[NeoSpartan]

E:TW won't come out unit AT LEAST a year from now. And once it comes out, it will be another year woth of patches and updates to make the game worth a darn.

By that time, EB will be LONG complete, EB2 will be in its later beta versions like .8 or something, and modding of the new game will start to be planned.

There is something I gotta say:

EB is going to be around for a LONG TIME. And I will be here lurking in the forums telling new guys:
-"the Gaestae are NOT overpwered"
-"Lorica Segmentata (sp) will not be in EB because it falls outside EBs timeframe."
---"Stop arguing which is better Segmentata (sp) or mail!!"
-"Attack the AI and stop complaining about the AI spamming armies"
-"The Economy is FINE, learn to manage it"
-"recommended settings are Vh/M, its too easy for me, but its perfect for roleplaying"
-"READ THE FAQs!!"

fun times ahead fellas

[Lysander13]

Being a relative "noob" to the total war series ( never played Shogun or MTW ) it seems to me that titles like RTW became infinitely more attractive once the big "mod teams" i.e..RTR & EB started releasing full conversions.
Mods like EB have simply transform RTW to a completely new experience. Prior to that, i didn't really enjoy RTW either. I just didn't find steamrolling all the other half-ass factions with my uber Romans enjoyable. I have MTW2 and simply don't care for it yet. I suspect eventually i will enjoy MTW2 as well but not until teams like EB start releasing full conversions to it. I also suspect i will have the same feeling about ETW. So if it comes out next year, i'll probably start enjoying it 2,3 or 4 years down the road when the modders start exploiting the title's modding capabilities ( presuming this will be possible to a great extent of course). I'll probably just be beginning to enjoy MTW2 by then with EB2. As a poster more or less said over at TWC in the ETW announcement thread over there; it seems like CA relies too much on modders to bring out the full capabilities of titles they release. I'm not saying this is done on purpose or that they actually do rely on modders for anything. It just seems to me it takes the modding community to add that final polish to the title sort of speak. At least in my opinion for RTW this holds true and hopefully for MTW2 it will hold true as well. So i'll probably get excited about ETW in about 4 yrs if the current pattern holds true. If not i'll still have EB1 (RTW) and hopefully EB2 (MTW2) to keep my warmongering appetite satisfied.

[Sarkiss]

i dont like the era and only hope it'll deliver an opportunity to create Persian- Greek wars mod that would properly represent naval battles. you could have Salamis as a historical battle.
for me, the next TW game set in classical era (let it be RTW2) would be a better news.

[KuKulzA]

only thing I look forward to is the Native Americans in the War of 1812 and the Sepoy rebellion...

but folks, here comes the guns... no matter how skilled and badass the warrior, he ain't dodging bullets

it is the beginning of the end folks, enjoy while native fiercely resist the Imperialism of western powers... soon it won't be man vs. man, it'll be rockets, nukes, bullets, etc. vs. likewise


i dunno, something about skilled warriors killing each other is just more appealing than guns shooting each other from miles away, not that they aren't skilled or trained or brave... props to the soldiers of the modern day, but its just more... fair? back then?

whatever, we'll see how ETW will be

[Kepper]

http://www.totalwar.com/index.html?p...l&nav=/en/6/8/
More news.
Empire: Total War contains a revolutionised Total War campaign spanning 3 continents.
It any luck the barrer of 199 region will by crosse mabe this time there will by 299, or better 399

[Tellos Athenaios]

We will just see, I reckon.

Anyhow; I still think I can have some pretty good fun with naval battles and the new, more dynamic battle fields - even if it's a classic Holywood/Comic style experience. After all, I did enjoy RTW vanilla the first time; enjoyed RTW XGM the second time; and now enjoy RTW EB style.

[Sassem]

Yeah great DE HOLLANDERS are going conquer the world from the seas wooden shoes for every one

You know what they about us wooden shoes , wooden head, wooden listen

[kambiz]

I suggest the Team to not waste their time with M2TW and skip it ,instead let EB2 be based on E:TW engine.

[Bootsiuv]

I haven't even bought M2:TW yet. E:TW will likely come after a new computer, from the sounds of things. Hell, my current computer will have enough time dealing with M2:TW. Someone, please tell them to slow down. I'm not ready for a new TW yet.

[EdwardL]

only thing I look forward to is the Native Americans in the War of 1812 and the Sepoy rebellion...

but folks, here comes the guns... no matter how skilled and badass the warrior, he ain't dodging bullets

it is the beginning of the end folks, enjoy while native fiercely resist the Imperialism of western powers... soon it won't be man vs. man, it'll be rockets, nukes, bullets, etc. vs. likewise


i dunno, something about skilled warriors killing each other is just more appealing than guns shooting each other from miles away, not that they aren't skilled or trained or brave... props to the soldiers of the modern day, but its just more... fair? back then?

whatever, we'll see how ETW will be

War will never be fair. Never has, never will.

I think the word you are looking for is "impersonal".

[Shigawire]

i dunno, something about skilled warriors killing each other is just more appealing than guns shooting each other from miles away, not that they aren't skilled or trained or brave... props to the soldiers of the modern day, but its just more... fair? back then?

Not just fair, it was more humane. Today, war IS total. War in today's paradigm kills millions. Military and civilian life is so intertwined, as the military often share civilian infrastructure and power grids. Attacking the military often means attacking the civilians.

The humane thing is always to avoid civilian casualties. That threshold was crossed once states invented ways to wage siege warfare - either slowly by starving cities, forcing mothers to eat their children as Assyria used to brag about, or the quick way that was invented by Assyria during the 9th century BC (the battering ram was one such invention).

In ancient times, siege warfare was the only time when Total War reached the civilian population. Otherwise, the pitched battles were always waged on vast plains - sparing civilians the carnage. Today, Urban warfare is becoming more the norm. Especially in a world of asymmetric warfare where the weak must find cunning ways to strike back. A war today is the great mother of all subsequent offspring horrors. The Iraq war for example, has set in motion devastating secondary and tertiary effects, having caused the deaths to have risen to 1 million (1`018`253) Iraqis thus far. And that is the result from the most "benevolent" aggressor ("best case scenario") - and the majority of casualties are not directly due to the occupier, but rather indirectly through secondary and tertiary effects (like clumsily opening a bee's nest to get honey). Imagine if a country with an overtly sinister/amoral human rights philosophy invaded Iraq for some reason, such as Russia or China. The number of casualties might have been far higher. Take the example of when Baghdad was invaded by another aggressor, the Mongol horde, the result was far more grizzly as 99.99% of the entire population of Baghdad was allegedly massacred.

In ancient times, siege warfare although cruel it was, was still not at the level that Total War has reached today. It got worse as the methods of warfare "advanced."

Meh! At the end of the day, nothing beats two suits of armor reeking of testosterone and sweat, clubbering each other with swords and armor..

Empire: Total War contains a revolutionised Total War campaign spanning 3 continents.
It any luck the barrer of 199 region will by crosse mabe this time there will by 299, or better 399

Actually, the preview that I read explained clearly that there will be no more tiles on the campaign map. Just freeform terrain, and free army movement. I have no idea how it works in practice, we'll have to see.
But no tiles means no limit. Perhaps a city-limit?

I look forward to this, though we might expect something absurd in the history department. Perhaps the Zulus are made exaggeratedly powerful?
Things of that nature concern me..

But the overall feature list is still very impressive.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Can't wait for ETW! I always wanted to play a game like EB set up in the 18th century. It'll be just awesome.