What are you looking forward to?

**iblewafuse14** · 08-23-2007, 15:01

Originally Posted by ramela

I'm looking forward to modding Finland in (as a challenge faction of sorts) and kicking Swedish and Canadian (!!!) ass.

Take that for always thwarting us in Ice Hockey.

I'm going to play as UK since they own parts of Canada :P... Canada = kick ass... Hockey is our sport

and UK has the red coats

**Iavorios** · 08-23-2007, 17:44

I personally would love to know is China in the game. It must be, if you have the entire world, you just can't miss one third of the global population. And if it is in, well it would be fun. Taking China out to globally conquest, and putting the world under the rule of the emperor will be great. And bices, China become tehnologicly bad only after 17-18 century.

**Freedom Onanist** · 08-23-2007, 18:05

Originally Posted by Iavorios

China become tehnologicly bad only after 17-18 century.

Certainly by the 17th century they would've been hard pressed to compete navally. thorughout the 18th century they were moribond and playing wouldn't be nuch fun if it was made accurate.

Of course there is always the danger that CA will use China as the joker in the pack. A sort of fantasy faction. I was watching a programme the other day on the History Channel and there were still people insisting that mystic powers had made the Chinese the scourge of the battlefield

I think that's what the poor saps believed during the Boxer rebellions - bullets would never touch them. That was until a lump of lead with no knowledge of Eastern mysticism decided otherwise

**lars573** · 08-23-2007, 18:28

Originally Posted by iblewafuse14

I'm going to play as UK since they own parts of Canada :P... Canada = kick ass... Hockey is our sport

and UK has the red coats

No they don't, Canada=French. Until 1760. Well after the game will probably start.

**iblewafuse14** · 08-23-2007, 22:04

Originally Posted by lars573

No they don't, Canada=French. Until 1760. Well after the game will probably start.

I'm sure most of it will be French BUT, the English speaking settlers who went to what is now New York did move north and settle in Southern Ontario.

**Randarkmaan** · 08-23-2007, 22:28

China become tehnologicly bad only after 17-18 century.

Yeah, but they gave up their great power status in the 15th century when they abandoned their war fleet. That's what I think that the game should actually require quite alot of investment in buildings and such before you are able to have a war fleet, and then when you do ships should be relatively expensive and be able to really make a difference, in this era having a (functional) war fleet was the staple mark of a great power, it's basically why they were great.

**Trax** · 08-24-2007, 12:28

thorughout the 18th century they were moribond and playing wouldn't be nuch fun if it was made accurate.

The power of the Qing dynasty peaked in 18th century. They had some great emperors at the time.

**Iavorios** · 08-24-2007, 13:48

About the navy- there is, and there will never be a nation destined or not for a naval power. All technologically superiority is temporary. What is important is economy and leadership. Rome had no war ships before the first war whith Carthage, Sparta build huge fleet against Athens, England in early 16th century was far back from Spain and Portugal, and even Netherlands. Peter Russia, USA after the civil war, USSR after WW II.... As a mather of fact USSR had much bigger and bether navy then UK after the 70, less then 30 years after Britain looked undisputed ruler of the seas.
Do i have to continue?

**Randarkmaan** · 08-24-2007, 14:39

Yes, but you can't deny that the aqquisition of a war fleet does sort of make a state more of a power. What I was saying was simply that it should require a lot of money to be able to field one and that it should be very important in the game, and a heavy blow if it is wrecked (yes, the Ottomans rebuilt theirs after Lepanto, but it undoubtedly cost alot of money). China gave up their war fleets and their expeditions in the 1430s, and this was a huge war fleet with nine-masted, cannon-armed ships, because the expenses proved too great together with the fact that they also maintained a huge army guarding the borders to the north. With this China no longer was able to impose their will on nations (or just be able to demonstrate their power) overseas and was reduced to a regional power.
Anyway, do you think Rome would have been able to defeat Carthage in the punic war if they had not built a navy? Do you think Greece would have remained independent if the Athenians had not had one of the best navies in the mediterranean?

**Freedom Onanist** · 08-24-2007, 13:39

Originally Posted by Randarkmaan

Yeah, but they gave up their great power status in the 15th century when they abandoned their war fleet. That's what I think that the game should actually require quite alot of investment in buildings and such before you are able to have a war fleet, and then when you do ships should be relatively expensive and be able to really make a difference, in this era having a (functional) war fleet was the staple mark of a great power, it's basically why they were great.

I agree, I think you should be forced to make tough decisions here. Where do you spend your money? Do you play for money (money) or hegemony (France)? Do you need a large fleet to protect your trade routes (and win some) or do yo need a large army to invade and impose your will?