Criminal finally deported....

[Devastatin Dave]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
Its about time. What a joke. In honor of this criminal I'm having Taco Bell for lunch today. Its not the meal that will honor her, but what I leave in the toilet some hours later. When you take a dump today, please dedicate it to the "struggle" of these criminals. So what do you think? Should the authorities have busted into this "church" and dragged this criminal out (my opinion) or did they do the right thing by waiting all this time? Discuss

(2 hours from lunch, I'll post back tonight to give you all the details including color, consistancy, and pieces of corn)

[Crazed Rabbit]

Huzzah! Another one bites the dust.

Personally, I don't think they should have busted into the church. She was not, to my knowledge, a violent criminal.

CR

[Odin]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
Its about time. What a joke. In honor of this criminal I'm having Taco Bell for lunch today. Its not the meal that will honor her, but what I leave in the toilet some hours later. When you take a dump today, please dedicate it to the "struggle" of these criminals. So what do you think? Should the authorities have busted into this "church" and dragged this criminal out (my opinion) or did they do the right thing by waiting all this time? Discuss

(2 hours from lunch, I'll post back tonight to give you all the details including color, consistancy, and pieces of corn)

I hate to say this but it will probably confirm for a lot of backroomers a long held suspicion. I eat 7-8 small meals a day and am constantly on the hopper, basically I'm full of

Now that pleasantness aside, I understand why this woman held out, she has kids that were born here. A little voice in my head is telling me that some discretion needs to be had when the kids are involved.

But the louder booming voice is saying to me why didnt the cops storm the church, arrest her and those who were harboring criminals?

Source: "Just because the woman has gone public and made an issue of the fact that she is defying law doesn't mean the government doesn't have to do its job,"

Sounds like this guy gets it, however I suspect he has never given birth either and woe to the man who attempts to understand the seperation issues of a woman to her child.

[Husar]

So you think she's a criminal for wanting to stay with her child, Dave?
Do you also think the child deserves to live without it's mother only because she crossed an imaginary border to get a better life for herself and her child?

[Strike For The South]

she cant be very smart. I mean how is she going to get cuaght?

[Devastatin Dave]

So you think she's a criminal for wanting to stay with her child, Dave?
Do you also think the child deserves to live without it's mother only because she crossed an imaginary border to get a better life for herself and her child?

No, I think she's a criminal for BREAKING THE LAW and being in the US ILLEGALLY. We pay for the sins of our parents. They should ship his little ass out as well. I don't believe in anker babies. Kids always suffer for their parents stupidity. Do you think we should let out every person thats in prison they have squirted out a brat? Think....

[Proletariat]

The child should definitely be sent home with her. You almost can't blame her for pulling this 'OMG NOT WITHOUT MUH BABY' crap when it's our stupid system that basically encourages this 'anchor baby' tactic.

[Kralizec]

This just shows how stupid it is to award someone citizenship just for being "squirted out" in that particular country.

[Crazed Rabbit]

She calls Mexico 'her country'.

Good riddance.

Crazed Rabbit

PS - Husar she opposed her child being sent with her to Mexico:

She has said her son would be deprived of his rights as a U.S. citizen if he had to go to Mexico simply because she did.

[Ice]

Lol

Yeah, looks they caught another "dangerous criminal"

I'm glad our resources are being put to good use.

I'm so glad they caught her, she was a REAL CRIMINAL and threat to society.

I mean, cleaning planes to make a living? What has this country come to?

[Del Arroyo]

If she wants to be with her son, she can take him with her.

Living in Mexico is not a punishment. If this woman had any integrity she would raise her son with her in Mexico and let him choose his country of residence when he became old enough to look after himself. His rights will still be there for him when he turns 18.

Looking towards the geopolitcal scene of the future, it is in our best interest to seek greater integration with the rest of the Americas over the long term. This should not translate into a tolerance of blatant comtempt for the law in the short term.

[Xiahou]

No, I think she's a criminal for BREAKING THE LAW and being in the US ILLEGALLY.

Don't forget the use of forged documents/identity theft.

A fugitive goes on national TV and announces where she'll be on a specific date... and gets arrested. The shock!

[Whacker]

As for the woman deported, as someone else said, another one bites the dust. There's a legal process for immigration, whether or not it could stand some reform is another discussion. If you want to come here and live here, either 1. get your work visa approved or 2. become a citizen, get a job, and PAY TAXES like the rest of us.

Also, regarding her being in a church, I could care less. I don't view anything special or 'sacred' about religious property, nor should a religious site become a 'safe haven' for criminals or wanted people. They should have busted down the doors and paraded her and the people harboring her in chains outside for the waiting cameras.

As for being separated from her son, I say send him along with her. He's got US citizenship until he renounces it later in life at 18, noone can do that for him until then. If he wants to come back later in life then that's his decision.

[Major Robert Dump]

You know, Husar, the kid could go with her. They don't have to be separated. This is people using their kids as bargaining chips. If they would take their kids with them, their "family" wouldn't be broken up, now would it?

[Husar]

You know, Husar, the kid could go with her. They don't have to be separated. This is people using their kids as bargaining chips. If they would take their kids with them, their "family" wouldn't be broken up, now would it?

Yes, but according to US law, the kid is a US citizen and why do you want US citizens to live in poverty in Mexico? Why do you hate your own people so much?

[Peasant Phill]

The problem here seems to be the kid and the situation with citizenship.

There are two ideas of citzenship by birth:
1: Citizenship of the country your born in Jus soli
2: Citizenship of the country your parents are citizens of Jus sanguinis

The USA has a system of Jus soli. A system of Jus sanguinis or a mixed system could prevent these situations where families are torn apart. It may also stop the 'use of a baby' to avoid deportation.

[Navaros]

Is this celebration of her deportation supposed to be symbolic or something because it's one of the first times anything was done in regards to this issue?

She's just one person.

Arent there hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens in the USA just like her, yet nothing is being done about them?

Shouldn't the anti-illegal-aliens-people celebrate only if and when something they like is done with the vast majority of illegal aliens?

One or two deportations doesn't really amount to anything in the grand scheme of things.

[Devastatin Dave]

Is this celebration of her deportation supposed to be symbolic or something because it's one of the first times anything was done in regards to this issue?

She's just one person.

Arent there hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens in the USA just like her, yet nothing is being done about them?

Shouldn't the anti-illegal-aliens-people celebrate only if and when something they like is done with the vast majority of illegal aliens?

One or two deportations doesn't really amount to anything in the grand scheme of things.

Its a start...

[Strike For The South]

Its a start...

no its not

[Xiahou]

Arent there hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens in the USA just like her, yet nothing is being done about them?

There is more being done, finally.
Employers Grapple with Immigration Crackdown
and it looks like it's a big enough of a crackdown that it's beginning to dry up the supply in places.
Immigration crackdown threatens bumper U.S. apple harvest
Stories like this are everywhere- you just have to Google them. And obviously, there's still a very long way to go.

I was really bemused when I heard Chertoff bemoaning the fact that he was actually going to have to start enforcing the laws on the books since Congress didn't pass lax immigration laws for him. It almost seems like he thinks he's going to teach us all a lesson by doing exactly what we wanted- enforcing the law. That'll show us.

Note: I apologize for the stupid sound effects along with the YouTube clip, but it was the only clip I found with the comments I was referencing.

[Incongruous]

So you think she's a criminal for wanting to stay with her child, Dave?
Do you also think the child deserves to live without it's mother only because she crossed an imaginary border to get a better life for herself and her child?

Woho there mister.
Although Dave was rather crass about the issue, that was not his point.
He believed she should have been deported due to her breaking of his nations laws. I mean, I might not like it, but I respect the US's right to enact the laws it has.

[Husar]

Woho there mister.
Although Dave was rather crass about the issue, that was not his point.
He believed she should have been deported due to her breaking of his nations laws. I mean, I might not like it, but I respect the US's right to enact the laws it has.

I wasn't really serious, but why do they make the child a US citizen and then expect it to make one of two bad choices, go to an underdeveloped country and live there or stay in the US without it's mother? Well, they send their soldiers to underdeveloped countries and expect them to live there as well, but last I heard they want them to come back eventually.
If you don't want him, why make him a citizen in the first place?

[InsaneApache]

At least the USA gets to throw them out. Here in the UK you can commit murder and still not be deported. Why? Because it would be illegal to do so.

[Odin]

I wasn't really serious, but why do they make the child a US citizen and then expect it to make one of two bad choices, go to an underdeveloped country and live there or stay in the US without it's mother?

the child gets that choice because his parent is a criminal.

Were all ears for a suggestion on how to handle it Husar. What happens in your country when the mother is an illegal but the child is born there? Do they both get citizenship and priviledges?

[Haudegen]

What happens in your country when the mother is an illegal but the child is born there? Do they both get citizenship and priviledges?

I´ll answer that, if you don´t mind

The child gets citizenship if the father is
a) German
b) a foreigner who has resided here legally for 8 years.

In these cases the (illegal) mother doesn´t get citizenship, but may legally stay in Germany, even if she doesn´t have enough income to take care of herself and the child.

[Odin]

I´ll answer that, if you don´t mind

The child gets citizenship if the father is
a) German
b) a foreigner who has resided here legally for 8 years.

In these cases the (illegal) mother doesn´t get citizenship, but may legally stay in Germany, even if she doesn´t have enough income to take care of herself and the child.

That sounds reasonable. In the states we have 14th amendment to the constitution. it reads in part:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside"

Now later supreme court decisions upheld the notion that the child is still a citizen even if the parents are not citizens.

So basically up until 18 the child is bound by parental rights laws/responsibility. Its fairly black and white in a gray world sadly, and hence why a lot of matters like this have been largely turn the other cheek matters.

So the choice seems to be, seperate the child from the parent and allow them to live in the U.S. with legal relative or under state sponsorship, or deport them with the parents until 18.

[Husar]

Were all ears for a suggestion on how to handle it Husar. What happens in your country when the mother is an illegal but the child is born there? Do they both get citizenship and priviledges?

Looks like Haudegen could answer that already(I couldn't have easily answered that, to be honest).

the child gets that choice because his parent is a criminal.

A criminal, yes, but mostly in the sense of crossing an imaginary border without the intent of harming anyone. Usually I see criminals as people who go and actively harm other people in a physical or psychological way.
a child has to suffer if it's parents commit murder as well, but like I said, why do you give the child citizenship if you don't want it in the US?
Ok, you can throw the mother out, but you still have one more Mexican in the US, so you could just as well have kept the mother without the child(she'd also statistically die earlier and thus be in the US for a shorter time ).

[Odin]

A criminal, yes, but mostly in the sense of crossing an imaginary border without the intent of harming anyone.

With the full knowledge of breaking said laws. Im not fully understanding the imaginary border concept, do you mean there is no physical border? As far as hurting people, well thats subjective too. Once here she is both contributing to society and burdening it. Is it a wash? Well I dont know, the reduced payroll tax paid by the corporation who employs her at a lessor wage might indirectly result in the reduction of lets say bridge improvements.

I'm willing to accept that working illegal immigrants provide value in the economy to the degree where its a 40-60 wash, or perhaps more.

Usually I see criminals as people who go and actively harm other people in a physical or psychological way.

thats fair. However if you have a law in your country that says you cannot walk on the right side of the road after 3pm, and you choose to, but the technical definition you would be a criminal.

I concede a lot of law is silly and nonsensical, but immigration law has perhaps gone too far the other way. We have bent a lot in the past, to our benefit in a lot of cases, but I dont think enforcing laws that are on the books is a bad thing.

a child has to suffer if it's parents commit murder as well, but like I said, why do you give the child citizenship if you don't want it in the US?

thats a good question, and one I dont have a great answer for. The short answer is the constitution of the united states has specific language written into it for this cause (the 14th amendment as I quoted). Now when that was written 200+ years ago was it necessarily applicable to todays reality?

This is a flaw in the U.S. system, the constituion is a brilliant document, but is limited as exampled above.

Ok, you can throw the mother out, but you still have one more Mexican in the US, so you could just as well have kept the mother without the child(she'd also statistically die earlier and thus be in the US for a shorter time ).

thats just it Husar, by law the child isnt mexican he's american, and you cant throw americans out. (well you can under the current regime, but theres the business of being an supposed terrorist and all). The U.S. for all its chest beating glory has some serious flaws in the system.

The governing document for judical, and congressional law is antiquated, albeit for the most part still applicable. To change it requires moving heavan and earth on a domestic scale.

[Tribesman]

Isn't it strange that with all the OMG there might be terrorists everywhere hype a person can work airside in a commertial airplane without thorough vetting before they take the job .

[Don Corleone]

Isn't it strange that with all the OMG there might be terrorists everywhere hype a person can work airside in a commertial airplane without thorough vetting before they take the job .

This is a question I find myself forcing myself not to ask myself more times than I'd care to count, as I can only come up with two possible explanations, both are pretty scary.