EB: Voicemod Preview

[Shautora]

I realize you guys have probably already handled Latin, but I have a beautiful Latin voice, and I could help record files if you like.

[Ozymandias]

Has this been done for latin, or in the process of being done?

[blacksnail]

The Latin voicemod is already in the game. There is only one faction that speaks Latin, so we're good to go for that one.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Hmm, maybe he/she meant "prebattle speeches" or "stratmap voicemod"? Anyhow I wouldn't know if they were in the works; at least I can't find a recent thread about it in the internal vaults. So, yeah I guess that's a no then.

[Jarardo]

Nice work

[agua]

hi everyone, long time player/lurker, first time poster.

I'll leave my many words of praise for this mod where it is appropriate, but as an audio dude I was wondering if the team might comment on the mics they used and the signal path? For the group captures did you use ORTF or XY or did you just capture in mono?

Sound for video games is a niché I might pursue eventually.

An aside on the subject of languages, part of my homework this weekend is translating bits and pieces of the code of hammurapi and next week we're diving back into parts of the epic of gilgamesh.

This has been one of my favorites parts of this mod. Keep up the amazing work and I'm really pumped to hear the mod.

Edit: BTW, if anyone really want to be tickled with their sound, buy a good pair of professional mixing headphones. It's amazing. I think my headphones (Sennheiser HD 650's) get used for playing games more than mixing at the moment.

[Tellos Athenaios]

hi everyone, long time player/lurker, first time poster.

And welcome at the ORG!

[agua]

why thank you, tellos.

If anyone on the sound team want to bs about audio stuff, I'm always game.

[I Am Herenow]

First of all, I am somewhat amused by your EB project managing. It somehow exactly captures the way we do this inside EBH...

Secondly, you can just about forget accents. It's difficult enough already to get some Americans with about zero knowledge of the language pronouncing the standard Attic clause correctly.

Fair 'nuf - so the different sounds for Ptolemaioi, Koinon Hellenion etc. aren't their actual accents, they're just different people's voices? Not that that's a bad thing by the way.

No, it's more the way how we want to use some code characteristics to our benefit.

Aww, I wanted insane speeches!

[Foot]

Fair 'nuf - so the different sounds for Ptolemaioi, Koinon Hellenion etc. aren't their actual accents, they're just different people's voices? Not that that's a bad thing by the way.

There were two different people who worked on the old greek voicemod, but its the same sounds for each faction, we didn't give one person to one faction and the other to another. The difference your hearing is all in your head. The same will go for the new one, there will be different people, but the voicemod will be the same for all greek speaking factions.

Foot

[Tellos Athenaios]

Aww, I wanted insane speeches!

Who says nothing insane could not happen. This is EB!!!
Anyhow, I am not onto translating that you ate all the enemies' honey and that now they are very angry with you, but -luckily- that you can count upon the Moon People

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Actually not so insane after all: see this list. You can easily find this site again by going to the EB website; clicking "Links" and scrolling down till you see "Celtic Tribes of Europe". Found here.

to aid you in the struggle. But then again: why on god's green earth did you do THAT?!

[blacksnail]

Agua, I'll ask the AU Team this week when I stop by to do take selection. I'll see if I can get a technical answer for you.

[FalkyMrsWilliams]

Well! The Greek voicemod is completed! I'm impacient for hear it. Where can I download it?

I'm very interested in ancient languages. And you make the reconstruction of the ancient world languages! I can't wait to hear the proto-germanic, or the lusotannan, or the sabaean...

I think this mod recreates better the history, with its historical factions with their units, buildings and languages than other mod I have seen. It seems like a different game from RTW.

If you, any day would make an official game and would work for a game development company, I'm sure you will be covered by gold!

[bovi]

The greek voicemod available at this time is found in EB 0.81aV2. Check our webpages to download if you haven't already. If you meant the new one with battle speeches, keep in mind that this is a preview, not release document.

[agua]

thanks blacksnail, I appreciate it.

[Reverend Joe]

Earlier this year the EB team had an opportunity to work with the American University Audio Tech department

OH HELL YEAH!

That's my university, man! Outta sight!

Yeah, I know it's old news, but I haven't been around much for a while.

[Suraknar]

Hello and Congratulations for all the work done in bringing back the phonetics of the time.

I've listened to the voice samples in the first post of this thread, and while I understand much expert and detailed research has been done to represent as accurately as possibly the actual ancient Greek Phonetics, I found a small discrepancy.

In relation to the sounds of the Latin "u" in words such as "Elephantes Hulaioi Liboukoi".

More specifically how it is pronounced by the voice actor in the word "Hulaioi".

It is the letter "Ypsilon", (in phonetics written as Upsilon) pronounced better in the French alphabet, whose letters name is "i grec", meaning "Greek i", rather that its phonetic English equivalent as "why", and not "U" pronounced as "you".

The misunderstanding (most probably made initially by the scholars that transliterated the phonetic Greek alphabet using Latin letters) here may come from the fact that in Greek language the letters U and Y are actually the same letter. Written as "u" in lower case, and "Y" in upper case.

In Either case, the proper pronounciacion is the sound of "ee" like "Peek" and never the sound of "ou" like "Human".

Therefore, the phonetic sound of the word "Hulaioi" is not "Hou", but rather "Hee", pronounced as "Heelaioi", not "Houlaioi".

I really admire the work everyone participating in this has done, and I thought to help further its goal and quality by sharing this information.

Great work all!

EDIT:

A good exemple to further express this, is the word "ΦΥΛΑΤΤΕΣΘΕ", pronounced "Filatesthe", and not Fulatesthe", pronounced like "Fillament" and not "Full", even if, in lowercase transliteration it would be written as "Fulatesthe", lower case Y is written as u, but it is still a Y not a U.



In this table you can see the written Greek Alphabet and the error of linguists to attribute the letter U as the equivalent.

It should have been "Ipsilon" or "Ypsilon" not "Upsilon" as it is pronounced as "eep-si-lon" in reality, not "oop-si-lon".

It maybe time to correct this if someone has the means and part of the circles to do it. EB could be a beginning ;)

[Tellos Athenaios]

IIRC Upsilon simply means the short u. (Whatever the long u is; is anybody's guess -- though we do know that the Upsilon may be both long and short depending on various other thingies.)

[Suraknar]

You mean short y. (Actually its a "short i") ;)

In either case, I am not talking about what it means, I am talking about what it sounds. And it does not sound like a U, therefore, the result is a mispronounced Ancient Greek sound, that does not keep up to the goal of this project to express and represent the ancient language as it was.

I do understand, that it would mean much hard work to change all the words to represent the proper pronunciations in the voicemod, yet if it is decided to be kept as is, then none can really say that it is exactly as it was spoken.

And the fault is not the people involved in making this mod, the problem comes from the initial Linguists that made this mistake.

Unless of course this group, takes it upon yourself, to correct the Linguists error through this mod, just like EB as a mod corrects the History of the game.

It is really, your decision friends. And I am doing some constructive criticism pointing out the Linguistic error, in an attempt to help this team's eforts to better the end product, which I admire in the first place. :)

[Tellos Athenaios]

No. If I read the Greek rendering with accents of the Upsilon (as written in my dictionary) I can see why not.

It's upsilon with spiritus lenis and an "accent grave" + the adjective psilon; which means that towards the end of the "u" syllabe you lower the tone of your voice. That is plain impossible with the French y-Grec. But it is exactly the French short u as in "un".

[delablake]

Amazing!
You guys never fail to astonish me. Yet I should by now be quite accustomed to your mastership, I still enjoy very much seeing how people make a huge effort to achieve their professional goal. I know that such research can only be powered by love, let's call it the scholar's agape for sophia. I once wrote a thesis on Staging of Betrayal in a MHG novel, i.e. 1400 years after EB, and even that was far out, especially, when we had to...well enunciate/pronounce/vocalize it, cause there's no real knowing of how it really was, and what they came up with sounded totally weird. A real cacophonic farce of the German language. A barking, raucous sough, intermixed with sliding moments of very heavy intoxication or maybe even idiocy, lol, coarse hints of avenues to recognition - and MHG is a form of German, after all, just 1000 years ago it comes across as totally absurd, and suddenly I realized: that's what German sounds like in some Southern ears!
Lol.
Cause imhe, when Italians or Spaniards or Brazilians want to mock the sound of German, it sounds perfectly like MHG. It's so funny.
Imagine what proto-Germanic must have sound like?
WOW!
Short of Caveman, I suggest.
I am really looking further to hearing from you!


LBR

[pezhetairoi]

Way to go for a thread resurrection! You EB people always do things in style. I like. ^_^