Aztecs Overpowered

[Megas Methuselah]

Pizzarro used under two hundred veteran troops to kill over 6000 Incas warriors when he captured the Inca King. No Spanish were killed in that fight.

By the terms Pizarro met with the Sapa Inca, everyone was supposed to be unarmed. After a small series of supposed insults, the Spaniards grabbed the emperor, unsheathed weapons they weren't even suppose to be wielding, and fought off thousands of unarmed nobles and warriors. Not surprising they were so willing to risk their lives really, as their emperor was a god-king on par with the Egyptian pharoahs or Chinese emperors.

I think problem is come from the misunderstanding of historical facts: Europens were never so stronger than Natives, and the fear of gunpowder is overrated.

Europeans had better armour and battlefield tactics (especially the tercio), but as they were never present in overwhelming numbers, that doesn't count for much.

Gunpowder is severely overrated. Crossbows were much more favoured by the conquistadores over the early, primitive, and unreliable firearms.

* Its long and tragic story, but simply: They thought Spanish are their gods. They opened their cities, and worshipped them.
* They lost against Cortes because Spanish fooled them. So their King taken prisoner by Cortes and they slaughtered one by one.
* They do not fear the gunpowder. They fear that the guns are the work of God.

Most contemporary historians agree that the whole God thing is largely a myth. Exceptions can be made for Moctezuma, though, who may have feared that Cortez might have been Quetzacoatl or a descendant of Quetzacoatl coming to reclaim his throne. This statement alone, though, is disputed.

After terrible defeat of Incas, Aztecs ordered themselves against the Spanish. Spanish even lost battles against them, Cortes have been captured once..

Yeah, the Spaniards lost their share of battles in the conquest. But why are you mentioning the Incas? They had no part in this.

But the problem is, unlike Mayans and Incas, Aztecs are not wise, cultured people. They were brutal and warlike. They never be popular on MezoAmerican tribes anyway. And many tribes choosed Spanish to fight together. . Spanish mostly won with help of the Natives.

YES! Yes, this is the primary point. The Spaniards were able to gather the support of tens of thousands of native troops. It was with this support alone that the Spaniards were able to emerge victorious. Left to their own devices, the Spaniards would merely die on the outskirts of the Aztec empire; they almost did, in fact, had they not found some allies in Cempoala who resented the Aztec human taxation for sacrifice.

The Aztecs were, contrary to your statement, a wise and cultured people. But they were brutal and warlike. It was this, together with the decentralization of their empire (unlike the Incan empire, it was more of a league of semi-autonomous city-states that were loyal to the Triple Alliance, which was in turn loyal to the Tenocha Mexica), that allowed the Spaniards to gather the support of so many allies from amongst the empire's bitter and/or independant-minded subjects and foreign enemy states.

And ofcourse, diseases came from european countries and did terrible damage on native's population. Europeans know that and they even sold their diseased blankets to native tribes.

Yes, this is another primary point. Tenochtitlan, in particular, suffered a devastating outbreak of plague. The native populations, once struck, often dropped by 60 to 90%.

However, the whole blanket thing is an entirely different situation from a different century. You have your facts somewhat mixed up.

[Yesugey]

But why are you mentioning the Incas? They had no part in this.

You have your facts somewhat mixed up.

I choosed to avoid any details as possible, and give general info about invasion of Americas.

For example, i said Aztecs are not wise. They are not, but if you compare with Mayans and Incas. They had good technology and culture, but they appeared just 1300's, and most of their traditions were adopted. There is no way to tell they are wise and cultured, if you compare them with +3000 years old Mayan or Inca empires.

Also the blanket story is about Apacheans. (Thats why i said "Europeans" not Spaniards)

History geeks could find more gaps

[O'Hea]

In the Aztec army, status was derived from taking prisoners. Weapons were designed to wound and debilitate enemies without killing them, because almost every war the Aztecs participated in was a garland war. A large part of why so few Spaniards died was probably the fact that the Aztecs would try to drag them off rather than kill them in the field. The Spaniards had no such problem. They also had steel swords that could punch through Aztec armor and kill with one blow.

And although the effect of guns and horses was very real, the vast majority of Cortez's men were swordsmen. If I remember correctly, there were only about a dozen horses with them at the start of the expedition, and about as many guns and crossbows.

[Prussian to the Iron]

never having had a problem with the aztecs,


why did you ressurect a 2 year old thread Yesugey?

[Megas Methuselah]

why did you ressurect a 2 year old thread Yesugey?

I told him to. Do not question my intentions, bwoi.

[Prussian to the Iron]

oh, good old meth. haphazardly ordering around newbies :P

[Yesugey]

I just started using the forum and wanted to say something about old subjects. I like to put all information on one big post, instead of opening thousands of posts and force everyone to write same things over and over again.
I just cant understand why necro posts bugging people also. I even got a warning because of that.

And yes, Megas Methuselah dragged me to do that ^^