The Human Race

[Moros]

As human evolution looks dead with the situation we're currently in. I guess the human race isn't just matured, it has already false teath and a wheelchair.

[Bijo]

Add self-relativism.

Explain.

[Andres]

Explain.

The answer is in the thread

[Bijo]

The answer is in the thread

Good. I predicted this response. I see that my foresight capability here is in order :P

Even IF the answer is in the thread, which is minimally doubtful, the question is have YOU explained it (as it seems you are roughly imitating some of my behaviour from another thread and I did indeed explain my arguments in it)? From the two answers 'yes' and 'no' the correct one is, and can only be, 'no'. And that statement can only ring true.

Naturally, it leads one to think your argument is unsound and is factually unsupported by your required sufficient reasoning

[Incongruous]

Wait? Getting drunk, laid and all that is what makes life worth living? HOLY ****, A LIFE CHANGING EXPERIENCE!!1

Just because these are the funniest (and simplest, and most unintelligent) things to do, doesn't mean we should stop caring about the great questions. I consider discussing philosophy and such to be very funny, but that doesn't mean I don't like drinking or taking a walk.
You're a narcissist (apparently... also, did you know of the term or do such things not interest you?) since you hold yourself to be superior to "most of us". I am not blaming you though, since almost everyone is narcissistic in a way, and I hold myself to be a lot smarter than most of you who don't care for knowledge and philosophy. Of course, technically I am smarter since I'm using brain more, and I engage in the same simple means of entertaining myself as you, while at the same time understanding the futility in doing so.

Pseudo philosophers? Is there such a thing? Isn't everyone capable of contemplating about philosophical questions (like why we are here, to pick the most basic one) a philosopher? Philosophy isn't sience, and it's open to everyone who can use their brain really. Your philosophy is Carpe Diem, making you a philosopher.
Also, I consider Carpe Diem to be thorough BS. I'm a nihilist (for what it's worth) and to think getting drunk is in any way preferable to staring into a wall all day long is downright stupid in my eyes. "You are all the same piece of decaying organic material", as Tylder Durden said, so what we do doesn't matter. If you like getting drunk: fine, then do so, but don't tell those who like to contemplate on the big questions to do what you consider to be the proper way of doing things. You have no right to do so, just like I have no right to give you this piece of advice. See my point?

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So having a good time with you're dearest mates is base and thus unintelligent?
That taking in the beauty of whatever he finds beautiful is just plain simple?
Instead sitting at a computer and trying to figure out the "big questions" and gaving to wait hours till you get a response is better? Scratching you're head all you're life and simply thinking, is better?
Men who simply scratch heads and stroke beards along with some coffee and perhaps a book with some tedious references to the evils of life, do nothing.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Why worry about these lofty questions? You'll never be satisfied with the answer you get never. You will just keep searching and searching until the day you die.

I'm a nihilist and to think getting drunk is in any way preferable to staring into a wall all day long is downright stupid in my eyes.

Here's the thing:

If Innocentius is right, he's right. Congrats for solving life's riddles. (42)
If he's wrong, it's been a life wasted staring at a wall.

If Strike's right, it's been a brilliant life devoted to beer, booze, football and women.
If he's wrong, it's still been a brilliant life devoted to beer, booze, football and women.

Strike wins no matter what.

Now, can someone give SftS the HOF award "smartest Orgah" ?

I discovered him first!

[Duke John]

As long as the result is a pleasant memory, the day is well spent, no matter what you have been doing. While Strike's way of living may result in plenty of nice memories, it can be empty to some people. I see no use in trying judge either.

[Innocentius]

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So having a good time with you're dearest mates is base and thus unintelligent?

Drinking alcohol (a poison which will alter your mind, sometimes to the worse, wear your liver out, possibly killing you in the end, and that might get you so wasted you choke on your own vomit) isn't very intelligent no, even if it is with my mates. It's fun though.

Instead sitting at a computer and trying to figure out the "big questions" and gaving to wait hours till you get a response is better? Scratching you're head all you're life and simply thinking, is better?

Wait, you did read the part about me being a nihilist, right? I never said it would be better, nothing is. Also, I think when I'm out walking, you can't think very well with a flickerign screen in front of you; it's just there for you to share your thoughts.

Men who simply scratch heads and stroke beards along with some coffee and perhaps a book with some tedious references to the evils of life, do nothing.

...So?

Here's the thing:

If Innocentius is right, he's right. Congrats for solving life's riddles. (42)
If he's wrong, it's been a life wasted staring at a wall.

If Strike's right, it's been a brilliant life devoted to beer, booze, football and women.
If he's wrong, it's still been a brilliant life devoted to beer, booze, football and women.

Strike wins no matter what.

First of all: wins what?

I have never claimed to have solved life's riddles, because there are none (which I've already stated). We're here for a certain amount of time, and what we do until we die and start to decay (what happens after death is another discussion) is up to each and his own. I, for one, enjoy using my brain, even if dropping it all over a few beers from time to time is great fun. In either case, I win (sense the irony), as I can appreciate both the intellectual and simple aspects of life.
And you seem to misinterpret me quite a lot: I never said you should be staring into a wall all your life, all I said was that you could, and there's no such thing as waste of life (since life has no value, it can not be wasted). If you enjoy staring into a wall, then by all means do so!


P.S. There's nothing worse than sports. Try reading instead.

[Andres]

Good. I predicted this response. I see that my foresight capability here is in order :P

Sorry, I couldn't resist


Self-relativism, especially in the meaning of not taking ourselves too serious and being able to look at the man/woman in the mirror and to make fun of him/her.

It helps a human being in understanding that he doesn't have all the answers, that he isn't perfect, that he isn't thát important. It'll also come in handy to avoid or solve conflicts with yourself as well as with other human beings. It is a necessary prerequisite to obtain maturity, to deal with negative emotions, or to put it even better: it will make it easier for you to reach the desired state of peace

If every human being wouldn't take him/herself too serious and would share many laughs every once in a while, the world would be a much better place. Less conflicts, more peace.

Realise and accept your own imperfection as well as the imperfection of your fellow human beings and you'll feel much better. And it makes you mature.

And it makes you stronger. Everybody eventually will get some serious uppercuts in real life and self relativism will help you to get over it and continue with your life.

[Samurai Waki]

Finding a balance between Sex, Alcohol, and Partying and Pursuing the Greater Endeavors of the Mind is about right. You can get burnt out very quickly being on either end of the spectrum, some will collapse from over thinking something, and someone else will collapse because they've waken up and realized the universe is much larger than what they can see and hear.

[Sigurd]

It's cannonical:

And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die. (Isaiah 22:13)

[Bijo]

I see that Innocentius's clear and well-developed mind has already rendered some posts fallen... again


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To Andres:
I know what you meant but it was necessary to make certain you could explain it well since when one makes an argument the receiver must be certain that the arguer does not merely quickly throw in something. Of course you understand.

However, your description and the word self-relativism do not seem to mix. Well they could, but let me say that among the explanations I foresaw I expected a total different response. It leads me to ask you just in case: are you certain your description is what you meant? :P

In any case (though perfection is NOT what I aim at or necessarily argue), even if we are all imperfect, is it not a good path to attempt to become perfect in our greatest possible understanding thereof (or at least near it as much as possible)?



When I regard the human race I see little change for the better. We are as ever an immature primitive species bent on destruction, conflict, self-gain, hedonism, selfishness, and so forth. To ascend, to overcome, these negativities something is necessary...

[Andres]

I meant "zelfrelativering" , don't know if "self-relativism" is the correct translation.

[Bijo]

Hmmm, well I am not familiar with the exact meaning of the Dutch expression. In either case on first sight I would understand the word as something more or less like "when one relates (something) to oneself". In any case, your explanation, regardless what the right overall word is, is clear.

It helps a human being in understanding that he doesn't have all the answers, that he isn't perfect, that he isn't thát important. It'll also come in handy to avoid or solve conflicts with yourself as well as with other human beings. It is a necessary prerequisite to obtain maturity, to deal with negative emotions, or to put it even better: it will make it easier for you to reach the desired state of peace

Possibly, but it seems more one would actually ignore, or as you name it, laugh off, trouble as if to obtain an emotional sense of security by not really solving problems.

it will make it easier for you to reach the desired state of peace

What is peace? Negating negative emotion by the use of positive emotion does not mean there will be peace.