Kingdoms and patch 1.3....

**Omisan** · 09-02-2007, 14:19

Ok, my biggest issue with Medieval 2 has always been the poor AI.

Does Kingdoms improves AI?

Will regular Medieval 2 ever get patched or we are forced to buy the expansion?

**sirnoob** · 09-02-2007, 15:10

I think when 1.4 is released you should be able to get it without 1.3 aka kingdoms.

**Swiss Halberd Pike Landsknecht** · 09-02-2007, 15:34

is the current highest patch for Medieval 2, patch 1.2?

as I'll be buying it soon, and so downloaded the 1.2 patch for it yesterday

**Dutch_guy** · 09-02-2007, 16:00

Originally Posted by Swiss_Halberd_Pike_Landsknecht

is the current highest patch for Medieval 2, patch 1.2?

Yes, it is.

**Swiss Halberd Pike Landsknecht** · 09-02-2007, 16:01

ah ok thanks

**Nikos_Rouvelas** · 09-02-2007, 16:30

Yesterday As I was beseiging Antioch part of the Garrison actually sallied and destroyed one of my trebuchets! I was so taken aback I just watched and let the crew get slaughtered.

**lancelot** · 09-03-2007, 12:57

Originally Posted by Swiss_Halberd_Pike_Landsknecht

is the current highest patch for Medieval 2, patch 1.2?

as I'll be buying it soon, and so downloaded the 1.2 patch for it yesterday

Given the incredibly long list of bugs waiting to be resolved for those who alrealdy have the 1.2 patch, Im definately gonna wait a good ol while before I play MTW2 again...given CA's record lately Im sure the next few patches are only going to uncover more big problems...I can see myself waiting till 1.4 easy-if CA actually go to that much trouble.

And I could be mistaken but I fear a repeat of the RTW syndrome- ie release a couple of patches that dont really fix the game by which point you have announced a new game, so people will be hankering for that and hopefully forget about the buggy game that has not been fixed properly.

And given that ETW has just been announced...

Given how CA started- STW and MTW1 were awsome, I think they have gone downhill fast all things considered. I certainly wont be rusing out to buy ETW like I did with all the other base TW games...and I think that says a lot.

**Daveybaby** · 09-03-2007, 13:20

Originally Posted by lancelot

Given how CA started- STW and MTW1 were awsome, I think they have gone downhill fast all things considered. I certainly wont be rusing out to buy ETW like I did with all the other base TW games...and I think that says a lot.

Ahhhh... rose tinted spectacles, you can't beat em.

STW and MTW were both pretty buggy when released (especially MTW). Bearing in mind how much more complex both the campaign map and the combat engine have become since then, i dont think RTW or M2 were in that much worse shape overall.

**lancelot** · 09-03-2007, 19:28

Originally Posted by Daveybaby

Ahhhh... rose tinted spectacles, you can't beat em.

STW and MTW were both pretty buggy when released (especially MTW). Bearing in mind how much more complex both the campaign map and the combat engine have become since then, i dont think RTW or M2 were in that much worse shape overall.

Well perhaps, although the only real bug I recall hearing a lot about for MTW was the 56 year bug- which did get sorted. I dont recall any others getting a lot of airtime...

And of course, RTW and after are much more complex but from what I read RTW is still suffering from a lot of big bugs and CA is now into developing its 2nd release after RTW...

And have you seen the list at the top of this page of problems with the 1.2 patch?? MTW may have been buggy but it was fixed to a better extent.

**Sun of Chersonesos** · 09-02-2007, 22:32

no comment.

The Kingdoms factions shud have different behaviours.

**Doug-Thompson** · 09-05-2007, 16:19

Originally Posted by Omisan

Does Kingdoms improves AI?

Strategy AI, including diplomacy (Based on one long game as Novogorod).

1. A kingdom in trouble will now make a reasonable peace. For instance, Poland asked me for a ceasefire. I didn't want won because a mission offered me 2500ƒ to take Danzig, and the Poles had it. I offered them a ceasefire in exchange for Danzig, just for the heck of it. To my amazement, the took the deal and were glad. They were then able to concentrate on their war with the Holy Roman Empire and improve their overall standing.

2. You don't have the "erosion" in standing now. If you have good relations with a country, they no longer go sour automatically. For instance, the Lithuanians have been loyal allies to me throughout the game.

Backstabbing is still quite possible, however. The Danes were my allies and relations were amicable when they backstabbed me. By that time, I'd become very powerful and had an army in Scandinavia, which might or might not be a factor.

3. There's still too many small, vulnerable partial stacks running around, but there does seem to be fewer of them. There are more worthwhile AI stacks. I haven't seen as many stacks of useless peasants, either.

Battle AI

I can't really say yet, because I'm not clear on whether the improvements are due to better AI or improved unit characteristics. Pikes are better, for instance.

I can say the AI doesn't deploy in deathtraps in valleys as much. At least so far they've taken the sensible option to deploy on hills.

I've had more good battles than bad. The best one I attribute to the excellent armor on Teuton forces more than AI capability. Its hard to kill Order spearmen with Kazaks.

The worst case was when I had a huge but still outnumbered cavalry army that was trying to releive a siege. The Dane besiegers had a large force of Vikings, Huscarl cavalry, archers and a bodyguard unit. Their whole army is facing me, with me above them on a small slope, when they suddenly turn around to attack the three units of militia archers sallying out of the besieged town.

It was a massacre. I destroyed 97 percent of them at the cost of 42 Kazacks, light casualties to one Boyar Sons unit and two routed archer militia and 50 percent losses to a third. My general's bodyguard captured 185 prisoners, as I recall.