Let us speculate on the subject of fantasy units...

[ratbarf]

[QUOTE=Cornwallis]

The submarine thing. If I am not mistaken it was american from that guy with the key and the kite Benjamin Franklin! Thats it. Anyways it was made for a four person crew looked like an underwater wooden ball and actually had a drill linked to the top to put

It was not invented by Benjamin Franklin. It was invented by a Yalee by the name of David Bushnell. Though most of your technical facts are right, it had a one man crew, never sank a ship, and had absolutely no effect on British naval actions. The Royal Navy continued to occupy whichever coastal port they chose with impunity.

Really? I was pretty sure it scared the hell out of someone so they didn't do that. I got it off of a TV show on 17th to mid 20th naval stuff.

[GFX707]

Let me guess....an american TV show?

[Mailman653]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submarine)
Mystery solved.

[Cadwallon]

I reckon one thing might make an appearance - balloons. Montgolfier balloons were used as observation platforms by the French and later by the Americans during battle...

Perhaps increasing line of sight? Enabling hidden units (battlefield assassins, hidden ambushing units) to be seen?

[ninjahboy]

paratroopers :D
Benjimen franklin said something along these lines:
"Where is the prince who can afford so to cover his country with troops for its defence, so that ten thousand men descending from the clouds might not, in many places, do an infinite deal of mischief before a force could be brought together to repel them?"
ah you gotta love MoH Airbourne :P

[Daveybaby]

I'm still surprised that over the course of many total war games and expansions, the scottish faction has yet to field that most dreaded of missile units - the caber tosser. The sight of hundreds of kilt wearing scotsmen, faces painted blue, carrying this traditional weapon is enough to crush the morale of even the stoutest of foes.

Admittedly the missile attack has a very short range, but any hit is a guaranteed kill. Also horses tend to trip over the used cabers, which is nice.

The scots often used this fearsome weapon with great success during their many conflicts with the english. At the Battle of Bannockburn, King Edward II was heard to mutter "I hate those scottish tossers".

[Freedom Onanist]

I'm still surprised that over the course of many total war games and expansions, the scottish faction has yet to field that most dreaded of missile units - the caber tosser. The sight of hundreds of kilt wearing scotsmen, faces painted blue, carrying this traditional weapon is enough to crush the morale of even the stoutest of foes.

Admittedly the missile attack has a very short range, but any hit is a guaranteed kill. Also horses tend to trip over the used cabers, which is nice.

The scots often used this fearsome weapon with great success during their many conflicts with the english. At the Battle of Bannockburn, King Edward II was heard to mutter "I hate those scottish tossers".

In the meantime we obviously have

• Polish winged hussars - they can actually fly
• France can get Napoleon as a hero - if deployed everyone else fights like muppets
• The Dutch edam hurlers - targets die in a horrible explosion of cheese
• Etc, etc...

Of course if some of the Far Eastern countries do get some involvement the floodgates of fantasy can really open!

[ratbarf]

The show was Canadian actually but I watched it sometime ago and some of the details maybe sketchy but I do know that it did scare the crap out of someone and my description is for the most part correct. Also it may not have been the "first" submarine but it was definatley an early one.

By the way I have a head the size of an elephant. (ego)

Also to add to to the list I would like to see tigers with mini gatling guns strapped to them and with little indian boys firing them. Obviously a historical unit that fits with the crazy east theme of CA

[icek]

In the meantime we obviously have

Polish winged hussars - they can actually fly

dont know if you laught from egsistence of polish winged hussars or the fact they can actually fly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Hussars

[Kobal2fr]

I'm still surprised that over the course of many total war games and expansions, the scottish faction has yet to field that most dreaded of missile units - the caber tosser. The sight of hundreds of kilt wearing scotsmen, faces painted blue, carrying this traditional weapon is enough to crush the morale of even the stoutest of foes.

Admittedly the missile attack has a very short range, but any hit is a guaranteed kill. Also horses tend to trip over the used cabers, which is nice.

The scots often used this fearsome weapon with great success during their many conflicts with the english. At the Battle of Bannockburn, King Edward II was heard to mutter "I hate those scottish tossers".

Thank you, that made my night

Also, and obviously : the French Imperial Guard, a musketeer unit which can't shoot unless shot at first. "Messieurs les anglais, tirez les premiers !".

Or maybe Battle Guillotines, anyone ? :)

[Rodion Romanovich]

Really? I was pretty sure it scared the hell out of someone so they didn't do that. I got it off of a TV show on 17th to mid 20th naval stuff.

The Americans had some primitive naval mine devices at the time of the civil war, and although not a major impact, it had at least some effect close to land etc. The submarine, IIRC, did not.

[Furious Mental]

I've got one- Christian blunderbusses. During an expedition into the Sahara shortly before the game commences the Moorish army included a small contingent of captured Christian marines armed with blunderbusses.