Let us speculate on the subject of fantasy units...

[Freedom Onanist]

I'm still surprised that over the course of many total war games and expansions, the scottish faction has yet to field that most dreaded of missile units - the caber tosser. The sight of hundreds of kilt wearing scotsmen, faces painted blue, carrying this traditional weapon is enough to crush the morale of even the stoutest of foes.

Admittedly the missile attack has a very short range, but any hit is a guaranteed kill. Also horses tend to trip over the used cabers, which is nice.

The scots often used this fearsome weapon with great success during their many conflicts with the english. At the Battle of Bannockburn, King Edward II was heard to mutter "I hate those scottish tossers".

In the meantime we obviously have

• Polish winged hussars - they can actually fly
• France can get Napoleon as a hero - if deployed everyone else fights like muppets
• The Dutch edam hurlers - targets die in a horrible explosion of cheese
• Etc, etc...

Of course if some of the Far Eastern countries do get some involvement the floodgates of fantasy can really open!

[ratbarf]

The show was Canadian actually but I watched it sometime ago and some of the details maybe sketchy but I do know that it did scare the crap out of someone and my description is for the most part correct. Also it may not have been the "first" submarine but it was definatley an early one.

By the way I have a head the size of an elephant. (ego)

Also to add to to the list I would like to see tigers with mini gatling guns strapped to them and with little indian boys firing them. Obviously a historical unit that fits with the crazy east theme of CA

[imnothere]

light-mobile cannon unit, drawn by camels instead of horses.

goat mercenary cavalries - ridden by small boys.

family in-laws, now available as a free unit for characters with bad-in-laws trait. reduce income by 10%. -5 authority. count as peasants on battlefield.

random Giant Squid/Man-Eating Whale/Sea Monster spawn. in order to fill in all the empty spaces in the ocean. random attack on shippings(reduce 5% trade) and military vessels.

[Freedom Onanist]

A subversive one could be "Arrogance".

This takes the form of a negatgive influence you can deploy against a nation that thinks itself a bit too big for its boots at any given point in history. This is a transient thing that only last for a set time against a particular opponent.

So, for example:

US colonist can deploy British Arrogance in the 1770's. After gaining laurels in the early and mid 1700's Britain firmly sat on them for a little too long = bloody nose

France can deploy Prussian Arrogance in the 1790's and 1800's. Prussia had clearly declined but thought much of its Frederickan legacy = bloody nose

The British can deploy French Arrogance in the 1800's due to French Napoleonic superiority complex and megalomanic psychopathis(sp?) = bloody nose

Later, maybe out of scope of the game, the Russians can deploy British and French Arrogance in the 1850's. British because of another case of laurel sitting, French because of their inveterate belief in their own cultural propaganda . Though that is tempered to a large degree by Russian Incompetence, so that one is a draw = bloody noses all round.

[Bijo]

How about Dutch greediness for the Dutch faction? Some unit that has economical capabilities can be used on the field to inspire the troops to greediness, effectivity, maximum efficiency, and he can bark things at them to stimulate them such as "Fight harder! Or you will be disallowed food and beverage after the battle!" or "He who manages to wound two enemies with one shot will receive extra pay!" or "If you die, I shall sell your families' house and greedily profit from it!"

[Henry707]

Hi All,

Sorry to be so far off topic on my first post but.....

Does anyone remember the 'easter egg' hidden in Rome Total realism - there was a rebel unit of guys holding drumsticks!!!

It's the truth!!

Henry

[Noir]

Originally posted by imnothere
random Giant Squid/Man-Eating Whale/Sea Monster spawn. in order to fill in all the empty spaces in the ocean. random attack on shippings(reduce 5% trade) and military vessels.

Kind of engine spawning rebels/brigands in the sea? Brilliant idea - count me in for that one; we cannot allow the ocean to spare us the annoyance.. A little period flavor is needed, Moby Dick, Captain Nemo etc

[hoom]

The Crimson Permanent Assurance has to make an appearance somewhere

[Incongruous]

Foppery. A special ability of British and French agents, they may alter the fashions of the day to that of Foppery. After which army uniforms will be come oh so much nicer and oh so much more expensive.
Thus an enemy economy succumbs to fashion.

[Freedom Onanist]

Foppery. A special ability of British and French agents, they may alter the fashions of the day to that of Foppery. After which army uniforms will be come oh so much nicer and oh so much more expensive.
Thus an enemy economy succumbs to fashion.

Hmmm, I don't think Britain would qualify for that one, they were mostly quite conservative compared to others. I think it would be more to do with how much of a megalomanic absolute ruler you have, and how usless your armies actually are. The more of those, the more extravagant your uniforms and your blathering on about honour, glory, country, etc... Like Elvis said " A little less conversation, a little more action please"

I won't mention who I have in mind.

[IvarrWolfsong]

America

Natty Bumpos - an entire unit of Daniel Day Lewis's who run (2x movement points) everywhere screaming "I WILL find you!" and can shoot a musket with 100% accuracy out to 2k yards

Enraged Bostonians - a full stack of crazed militia that spawn anytime you change taxes in New England

Virginia Aristocrats - snuff fueled light cavalry with a penchant for ham

Hessians - Headless Cavalry with heat seeking pumpkins filled with molten lava and Uranium.

[zerathule]

I think its time for a re appearance of the Naked Barbarians and the Screeching womens, both combined in an uber unit : the French Sans-Culottes :) (meaning without panties, at least as a litteral translation. name of the french revolutionary mobs).
Stats : weak morale, vulnerability to projectiles, can charge without orders, bonus versus nobility.

[edyzmedieval]

Tea Ship Attackers - something like the Hounds of Culann, they go berserk when they see tea ships

Chinese portable rocket launchers - This would be damned sweet.

Yeomen Musketeers - I mean come on, we Englishmen want to keep our long range supremacy

The Flying Dutchman - If you capture this ship from the Rebels (it should have something like 200 attack), all your units get +5 experience and you get the ship

[Rodion Romanovich]

I know a fantasy unit: Mel Gibson patriot flag carrier, fights with an American flag as weapon and inspires nearby troops.

[Abokasee]

Super Ninja cats, that fire lazas from there eyes when they take out 2 regiements they can shoop da whoop, theres about 15 in each group

[Sir Beane]

Hail everyone! First time poster but longtime lurker here.

As for fantasy units I'm looking forward to seeing some sort of battlefield voodoo priest recruited in the Caribbean. Special ability would be raising casualties from the dead as zombies ready to do your bidding.

Another Caribbean unit could be for the local rebels. Cannibals: they scare nearby troops and their weapon is a fork and salt shaker. Perhaps they might have the special ability to eat captives rather than execute to get a small boost in morale.

Come on CA we want to see voodoo zombies! (Or at least I do)

Wow for a first post that was rather morbid.

[Intrepid Sidekick]

Wow, cool, amazing!!
We've been trawling through all those big dull history books and that internet thingy
But this has just saved us loooooooads of time.
Think we'll use all of these

[Sheogorath]

oh u

Do us a favor and include these guys:


Russia just isnt complete without BEAR CAVALRY

[Intrepid Sidekick]

Hmmm, okay, if you say they're from the period. I didnt know they had AK47's back then.

[Sheogorath]

Hmmm, okay, if you say they're from the period. I didnt know they had AK47's back then.

Ak-47's AND PPsH 41's. See, the 47/41 was refering to FOURTEEN fourtyseven/fourtyone.
BEAR CAVALRY! Also, penguin infantry to the first person to discover the south pole.

[Csargo]

oh u

Do us a favor and include these guys:


Russia just isnt complete without BEAR CAVALRY

[Jacob Debroedere]

What about the three musketeers? Their unit size is limited to three, the have an awesome range attack and wen engaged in melee they will use their sabres to mow down any resistance. They are almost impossible to kill without artillery because you need to kill them all to kill one.

[Privateerkev]

We've been trawling through all those big dull history books

Funny because I can't tell from playing your games...

But in all seriousness, as a history grad student, I would love to get a look at the reading list that is used to research these games.

And to keep the thread on topic, any large piece of artillery mounted on any animal would be more than enough to keep me amused for hours.

Exploding sheep would be cool too. Why should people who play the "Worms" games have all the fun?

[Andejar]

Where did u get the picture of the bear cav?

[Sheogorath]

Where did u get the picture of the bear cav?

The internet.

[Bijo]

I still want a Terminator unit that travels from the future into the past.

[Frederick the Great]

I think you lot have been spending to much time reading Whitedwarf mags or in Gamesworkshops.CA and their TW games are about historical acccuracy.
Ninja's did exist in Japanese history,Assassin's did exist worldwide and in the far east there were cult's or assassin organisations.So please CA keep it historical as it was in the past and no or ni to fantasy units......no killer white rabbit's with ferocious teeth......no knight's who say Ni,Ni,Ni......and no black knight itching for a fight "it's only a flesh wound.....come back ya coward".
Oh and by the way there were battalion guns....3pdrs or small howitzers which were manhandled by small crews.
No silly billy's Please!!!

[Frederick the Great]

HA HA HA I like the mounted russians on bears......good pic,but I've never seen bears That Big.
Well mentioned Sheogorath on the grenadiers of the period hurling grenades.
Anyone wanting to see this goto YOU TUBE website where you can watch the video on the Battle of Poltava

[Sheogorath]

Polar and several species of Brown Bears can get up to eight feet at the shoulder.

A few moments on Google yields this:
http://tim.blogware.com/Bear/Bear.jpg
Bears get BIG.

Just a warning:
There is some blood in that pic, but no more than you'd see in a boxing match.

And you should mention that that video is horrendously innacurate. Like I said in the topic where it was posted...very much a product of the Russian nationalist cinema.

[Privateerkev]

CA and their TW games are about historical acccuracy.

The idea that TW games are in any way historically accurate is simply laughable.

But to be fair, their games are not meant to be historically accurate. Which is why I always roll my eyes when people complain about units not being "period" such as hornet chuckers or flame throwers. TW games are meant to be fun. And in that, they succeed. I play computer games for the same reason I watch movies, and that is to be entertained. I don't do either to learn about history. For that, I read a book. And even that is problematic.