Shields and Identification

[Rhedd]

I think it's funny how many Europeans think we Americans will really like the Americas campaign.

Firstly, practically none of us are of Native American or Spanish descent, so it really has nothing to do with us.

Secondly, as Americans, we're probably a bit better at spotting the sometimes laughable inaccuracies in the Americas campaign, much like the Japanese no doubt laugh at us when we make samurai movies. ^_^

And yeah, it was pretty shocking to be nice enough to post pictures of all of the shields, then be so rude about the Americas campaign.

Now, if you'll excuse me, this American, who is only second generation and who's grandparents are Welsh, is going to go continue my campaign as Wales!

I am really loving Kingdoms!

[Riadach]

Practically no Americans are of spanish descent? Surely you lie. :-)

[Sir Clive Sinclair]

Practically no Americans are of spanish descent? Surely you lie. :-)

That would depend on if you regard anyone born in California or Texas as a Mexican, based on "manifest destiny" or not

[Graphic]

I would guess the number of Americans actually descended from Spaniards from Spain is incredibly low.

The proper term for people who have Central and South American Spanish-speaking ancestors is Latino and Latina

[Riadach]

I would guess the number of Americans actually descended from Spaniards from Spain is incredibly low.

The proper term for people who have Central and South American Spanish-speaking ancestors is Latino and Latina

But wasn't the point that few americans identified with the americas campaign as none were descended from indians or spanish? Surely latinas and latinos, although have a strong mestizo element, are also descended from spanish people from spain?

[Graphic]

But wasn't the point that few americans identified with the americas campaign as none were descended from indians or spanish? Surely latinas and latinos, although have a strong mestizo element, are also descended from spanish people from spain?

I wasn't validating his point about American's interest in the game, in fact I disagree with him. If you want to include Amerindians (Latinos) with "Indian," then in fact he's dead wrong, as I'm sure many Latinos will be interested in playing the Aztecs and Mayans, who they identify with much more than Spain, due to being much more ethnically Amerindian than Spanish and usually revering their Amerindian ancestors much more than their Spanish ones, which is what I mean when I say Latinos aren't Spaniards.

Jeez that took forever to write, this whole thing tied my brain in a knot for some reason

[Rhedd]

Whee, I started a debate! ^_^

I didn't really mean to say that Americans wouldn't be at all interested in the Americas campaign, and maybe I overstated the lack of racial identification with the campaign.

I just meant that it's about as likely for an average American to feel culterally connected to that campaign as it is for them to feel a connection to playing the English, or Irish, or Welsh, or Scottish, or Germans, or Italians, or Spanish, or French, or Russians, or Arabs, or any number of factions. And I think it's funny that Europeans don't seem to realize this, and just think, "hey, that campaign has Native Americans in it, so those Americans will all love it!"