Concerns about Empire

[Bijo]

Well, subjectivity was not the case, as mentioned. You keep referring to your own situations and subjective observations and conclusions which is unnecessary and biased.

The short simplified version of what I said:
Fact is, console gamers only have to upgrade a console once in many years which is equal to simply purchasing the next-generation machine; as PC gamers would have to constantly upgrade their machines with separate expensive parts if they want to keep up-to-date. Are you arguing this is not so based on your irrelevant subjective situations and observations?


On another note, it is true that console games usually tend to be more shallow or "simple" compared to PC games. One potential, but probably most likely, reason is that gamepads are used and not mice and keyboards and perhaps that console gamers tend be more "casual" for lack of a better word.

[Vuk]

On another note, it is true that console games usually tend to be more shallow or "simple" compared to PC games. One potential, but probably most likely, reason is that gamepads are used and not mice and keyboards and perhaps that console gamers tend be more "casual" for lack of a better word.

Console games do not have all the control options of a PC, which usually results in a much more arcadish and shallow game.
Also, the PC genre attracts a lot of people interested in many different things and relatively intellegent. Because a good part of PC gamers play the PC for depth and options (such as modding) that are unique to the PC, PC game manufactures generally produce more intellegent, less shallow games. Most console gamers on the other hand, just want an arcade kick and don't really care about the depth a PC offers (Nintendo types). Since this is majority of the console audience, this is how majority of console games are made.

There are exceptions to everything, but you must admit that PC games generally have more substance and depth than console games. (Think Total War and Thief (and do not bring up that pathetic console excuse for a Thief game)).

Vuk

[Freedom Onanist]

Well, subjectivity was not the case, as mentioned. You keep referring to your own situations and subjective observations and conclusions which is unnecessary and biased.

Surely it is a valid basis for his observations? Are yours drawn from exclusively from 2nd hand ones?

The short simplified version of what I said:
Fact is, console gamers only have to upgrade a console once in many years which is equal to simply purchasing the next-generation machine; as PC gamers would have to constantly upgrade their machines with separate expensive parts if they want to keep up-to-date. Are you arguing this is not so based on your irrelevant subjective situations and observations?

A bit dismissive of someone elses observations, specially when your argumentation is purely based on assertion ("fact is...). Console gamers may have to buy a console only every so often, however, they do buy peripherals which can be quite costly, not the least of which is a TV. HD capable maybe? Minimum of 38" to ge the full HD effect? Expensive. Oh, hang on a second, my PS3 plays Bluray (HDTV of course) I should really get a decent surround sound system to do it justice. Expensive again. How much was that PS3 in the first place? £400 - 550 Euros (ish) at least. Expensive.

Yes PC's are expensive, and you do have to upgrade. But you can do a whole load of other things with a PC which surely pushes their price/utility point way eyond consoles? Your argument is often artuculated by people who complain about grapics taking away "gameplay" when they feel the need to upgrade to play a game with all visuals switched on, despite saying that "graphics" are not their priority in the first place. Truth is that if a PC can't play M2TW or ETW on the lowest settings that is the owner's problem, why should we suffer for that? The technology is there and affordable, I want a game that plays well AND looks as good as it can.

[Vanya]

GAH!

Vanya had a slow PC once. But Vanya solved that problem, and now plays MT2W on it!

This PC is one ole dinosaur, too. 286... 512K RAM... 20GB HD... 100 Hz... 300 Baud modem.

For slowness, Vanya hired a voodoo priestess from Nawlins to give His PC a life of its own. Blessed with a soul, it now had feelings--and more importantly, could feel. Vanya then proceeded to whip that old PC until it ran like the wind! Pain is such a great motivator!

When things got sluggy or laggy, Vanya dipped the PC in a tub full of bleach to "get the scum out". Vanya has never seen such sparkle from a mother board as when He dries it out with a hot fart after washing it all down with bleach! Didn't yo' mama ever bathe youz in bleach when youz had a cold in order to kill the virus? Same principle at play here! Why spend money buying spyware killers when a tub of el cheapo bleach will do the trick in one tenth the time?

Now, this PC runs with the fear of Vanya embedded in every cursed circuit of it's core. Even the modem gained speed and now gives Vanya 6000 Mbits/sec when Vanya demands it. That is what Vanya calls a customer-oriented PC!

The result? Vanya can play any game regardless of size or hardware requirements. Vanya can play MP with every bastid on the planet simultaneously should such a coordination miracle ever transpire! And the best thing? Heads roll without lag, which means Vanya does not have to gawk at poor physics disrupting the grace and magnificence of His majestic axe swings.

GAH!

[Orda Khan]

Vanya you're a legend !!!

........Orda