Teutonic Campaign: Novgorod

**TheLastPrivate** · 09-27-2007, 21:13

Quick question: Is there ANY difference between the Novgorodians and the Russians in the original M2tw?

**Mithradates VI** · 09-28-2007, 02:43

Originally Posted by TheLastPrivate

Quick question: Is there ANY difference between the Novgorodians and the Russians in the original M2tw?

There doesn't seem to be, anyway. Then again, I'm not exactly familiar with the Russian roster.

**YuriVII** · 10-22-2007, 05:46

The Novgorodians are exactly the same as the 'Rus unfortunatley. I was hoping for some variety in this, but oh well.

I am a fan of the Rus' and Novgorodians for sentimental and practical reasons. I did two games as the Novgorodians on VH/VH and as soons as the Teutonic Knights could declare war on me, they did (ie turn 3). My inititial strategy was to basically ignore the Mongols and Lithuanians and make an alliance with those two in order to secure my southern front. Lithuania will be busy by the Polish/Teutonic coalition in the start of the game, and Poland also tends to attack the Mongols. I split Denmark away from the Teutonic side by allying with them. I usually send a small calvary stack of 5 boyar sons to help them while I build up for an assault on the 3 Latvian territories (Riga, Corland, and Ostya). This gives me access to the sea, and I will continue attacking down the Baltic coast. The reason I chose Denmark is that they are a powerful ally, but they are rather distant except for the Estonian provinces. The Estonian provinces of Tallinn and Narva can easily be bought off from the Danes or invaded as their core troop producing lands are quite distant.

Poland causes problems eventually, but that should be expected if you are Russian. Polaks do not like us too much. So invade them and show them who will conquer them again in 300 years. At this time you should have the order's former baltic provinces, thus making bank from all the Hanseatic trade you are getting. I made alot of expansion by just buying up provinces from people.

As for tactics, go look at the Russia guide as they are basically the same thing. Early in the game, I usually have a half stack of cavalry (mostly boyars and 2 kazak units for routing) and the rest is a complement of infantry (spear militia). If at all possible, do not attack Teutonic cities and try and force them outside the walls. Once you get some actually large castles, go and recruit dismounted dvor/boyar sons, as they can hold their own against any Teutonic foot soldier except the Rittenbrüder.

**IrishArmenian** · 10-23-2007, 23:16

Originally Posted by TheLastPrivate

Quick question: Is there ANY difference between the Novgorodians and the Russians in the original M2tw?

Aside from a spiffy new yellow coat and a nice little bear, no.

**Boyar Son** · 10-24-2007, 01:47

histroricaly, there was alot of cav in Russian armies?? or did they use inf too?

YuriVII, te "pycckhh" (did i get that right?)

**Master of Puppets** · 10-25-2007, 18:21

So I played as Novgorod, and it was pretty cool. They are in a MUCH better position than in the original game, plus the yellow looks cooler.

I bought the Danish provinces on the coast and basically bumrushed as many rebel cities as I could. Then, I allied with the Danes (who were willing) and the Lithuanians. I then attacked the Teutonic Order, who was penned in by the Lithuanians and the Poles. With the TO eventually defeated, I built up trade and constructed heavy infantry type armies, which I love. From there, it was a cake walk. Game. Set. Match.

By the way, the music in the teutonic campaign is my favorite, sooo dramatic and epic.

**YuriVII** · 10-26-2007, 00:37

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**YuriVII** · 10-26-2007, 00:41

Da, ja russkii, no u menya Estonskoe grazhdanstvo. Ya iz Tallinna. Vy v Amerike izuchaete russkij yazik?

Oppps I guess the form does not recognize cyrillic.

**Boyar Son** · 10-26-2007, 03:25

from what you said:

your russian.

are you an american that speaks russian.

"no u menya Estonskoe grazhdanstvo. Ya iz Tallinna" dont understand that tho...

also were rus armies mosly peasants?

**YuriVII** · 10-26-2007, 17:05

I said translated: Yes I am Russian, but I have Estonian citizenship. I am from Tallinn. Are you studying Russian language in America?"

As for Rus' armies it depends on what principality you were talking about. Are you talking about Kiev, Novgorod, Vladimir-Suzhdal, and at what time.

Taking the example of Alexander Nevsky, most of his army was militia. Who ranged from peasants who couldn't afford anything to craftsmen and merchants who could afford some chain mail. A motley crew.