When did Creative Assembly become a symbol of evil?

**Gaius Terentius Varro** · 09-04-2007, 19:33

Oh that wasn't personal at all i was addressing the topic which is a good one. However If you believe that the comunity is REALLY upset about this securom issue then you haven't seen us cheesed yet

**Graphic** · 09-04-2007, 19:43

Originally Posted by Gaius Terentius Varro

Oh that wasn't personal at all i was addressing the topic which is a good one. However If you believe that the comunity is REALLY upset about this securom issue then you haven't seen us cheesed yet

It's not completely about Securom.

I lost my internet connection in October '06. Before I went offline, I remembered the TW community being a very friendly, easy going lot who actually seemed to like the games.

I reconnect July '07, and I'm immediately struck by every other post is

DAMN AI IS HORRIBLE, CA SUCKS, I'M NEVER BUYING ANOTHER TOTAL WAR GAME EVER, BOYCOTT!

While I was offline I played M2TW unpatched pretty much nonstop. Yeah the AI sucks, but I couldn't understand where all this rage was coming from. Mob mentality maybe? The Securom thread is just what put it over the top and motivated me to create this thread.

--- and barvaz, you put it much better than i did, ty.

**alpaca** · 09-04-2007, 19:49

Originally Posted by Graphic

It's not completely about Securom.

I lost my internet connection in October '06. Before I went offline, I remembered the TW community being a very friendly, easy going lot who actually seemed to like the games.

I reconnect July '07, and I'm immediately struck by every other post is

DAMN AI IS HORRIBLE, CA SUCKS, I'M NEVER BUYING ANOTHER TOTAL WAR GAME EVER, BOYCOTT!

While I was offline I played M2TW unpatched pretty much nonstop. Yeah the AI sucks, but I couldn't understand where all this rage was coming from. Mob mentality maybe? The Securom thread is just what put it over the top and motivated me to create this thread.

--- and barvaz, you put it much better than i did, ty.

It's probably a self-sustaining system. However I think that the people who rant (including myself sometimes) just "yell louder". I'd say most or all of us still like the games, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

**Husar** · 09-04-2007, 20:19

It's just that I'm a bit tired of defending CA in the Citadel, defending Microsoft in the Hard- and Software forum, defending Bush in the Backroo....oh wait, I don't do that last one.

Anyway, we could assume that the people who like the game are busy playing it while all the others are simply bored and come here to talk about it.
That said, I do think some criticisms are a bit harsh, these games keep me playing for quite a long time usually which is something other more polished games do not achieve.

Concerning SecuROM, I'm not too worried since there is no activation limit or anything and format c: usually uninstalls most software quite reliably.

**TeutonicKnight** · 09-04-2007, 21:19

I could care less about SecuRom software if it doesn't jack up my system. Considering I played Kingdoms all weekend and only noticed / found out about this today, I'd say it qualifies as something I can continue to ignore. It's a non-issue.

Great expansion, CA. End of the story for me. :)

**scsscsfanfan** · 09-05-2007, 14:40

Originally Posted by TeutonicKnight

I could care less about SecuRom software if it doesn't jack up my system. Considering I played Kingdoms all weekend and only noticed / found out about this today, I'd say it qualifies as something I can continue to ignore. It's a non-issue.

Great expansion, CA. End of the story for me. :)

Your are right, it will not jack up your system now, but it's a potential security risk that someone won't like to take.

**Subedei** · 09-05-2007, 15:20

Yesterday night I was trying to fight them infidel Christian Knights in a bridge battle with two steep roads running down a hill on each side...I am saying "trying" b/c all my soldiers were not able to move at all…stuck…on the edge of the valley ...battle lost.

That is usually the point when I think something like “Yeah, great….Why can’t the developers take more care about bugs like this?” You know this happens every now and then. NOT very often.

On the other hand: CA developed a game series which puts out great history related strategy games that caught my attention for years now, not to talk about these fantastic mods. TW games consume about 95% of my playing time…well I do not play more than 4 hrs. a week these days….A lot of EB…spiced up with some Vanilla M2tW…oh why not re-launch a RTR platinum and the new Kingdoms is out? Time for some anti-crusading as the Turks.

Maybe some people take the whole issue of sell- out, early releases etc. a bit too serious. It is a game and I guess every game has it’s flaws.

I am glad CA still develops new games…even with gunpowder

…Imagine the fuzz if they would stop with the TW series….”Oh, that sucks!” is what I would say…..

**El Diablo** · 09-04-2007, 21:31

It seems funny that the basis of this thread is "don't bash CA - instead bash SEGA".

SEGA have everty right to try and protect their property (note this is NOT an excuse for Securom or whatever) and they have a right to try and make money off their games.

Thus they pressure CA to get a job done and as none of us are in the loop we have no idea if it is SEGA giving impossible deadlines or CA draggin feet in getting a quality product out. Who knows.

All I know is there would not be a "SecuROM" issue if the Kingdoms expansion was terrible. No one would buy it. End of problem.

In the same way if SEGA/CA waited untill the product was totally bug free (impossible?) before release then it would probably go bankrupt.

As for gameplay... if you think the AI sucks then go play "Battles of Rome" game. That sucks.

**sapi** · 09-05-2007, 08:40

Originally Posted by alpaca

It's probably a self-sustaining system. However I think that the people who rant (including myself sometimes) just "yell louder". I'd say most or all of us still like the games, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Ranting about the game - on a forum for that game - indicates that you stop far short of hatred

That said, we do have to take the polarising effect of forums into account (people are driven to enunciate more extreme positions than they would in a face to face conversation)

**Jason X** · 09-05-2007, 10:05

as a long time lurker, i'm with the OP. on the other hand, the reason i'm now posting at the org is because it definitely has less childish posturing and more constructive criticism than the other TW forums.