EB with BI

[mcantu]

Unfortunately, because shieldwall gives a defensive bonus, it does imbalance certain units....and I know the team has spent countless hours balancing units in EB.

That being said, Ferromancer's minimod gives you the option of just porting EB to BI without adding the formations features. I would strongly recommend just using Ferromancer's minimod to port EB to BI without changing the EDU's. You won't get his slinger fix, but that can't be that hard to fix yourself (I'm uncertain of how at the moment, but I do intend to find out how and fix it myself).

Well the whole point of a shieldwall is that it protects you more...so a defensive bonus would be expected

[Bootsiuv]

But then it overpowers certain units, causing them to perform in an ahistorical manner....regular hoplites should not be able to take out elite successor phalanx.

Play with it if you want, I just don't want to lose any of the work the team has done....they made the units the way they are for a reason, and I'm quite happy with unit balance as it is.

[mcantu]

btw, units with phalanx activated also get a defensive bonus...

[Ferromancer]

But then it overpowers certain units, causing them to perform in an ahistorical manner....regular hoplites should not be able to take out elite successor phalanx.

Play with it if you want, I just don't want to lose any of the work the team has done....they made the units the way they are for a reason, and I'm quite happy with unit balance as it is.

I believe it also reduces attack at the same time as increasing defense. From my experience it doesn't unbalance the game at all, it just gives an extra dimension to strategy. The AI will sometimes use it too.

[Bootsiuv]

Yes, but the reduction in attack doesn't play a part if you don't attack on the field.

Just engage the enemy and press stop....they'll go from using their attack stats to their defense stats.

Well, regardless if I decide to do shieldwall or not, I'm just glad someone has finally made the process so neat and tidy. ;)

[jhhowell]

I believe it also reduces attack at the same time as increasing defense. From my experience it doesn't unbalance the game at all, it just gives an extra dimension to strategy. The AI will sometimes use it too.

I don't believe there's an attack reduction. Shieldwalls are very powerful on the attack as well as in defensive roles. For example, Frankish Sword Heerbanns fare surprisingly well when they charge Comitatenses (I did quite a few 1-on-1 custom battles a while back to check on a problem I was having with another mod). If shieldwall was -attack/+defense you'd expect the Comitatenses to win handily, if perhaps a bit slowly. Instead it's close to even, perhaps a slight Frankish edge, and both units score substantial casualties on the other. I believe that's consistent with a significant defense bonus with no change in attack.