Is it worth it?

**Boyar Son** · 09-05-2007, 03:51

When it comes down to it, people will say that oil(Wait hear me out!!!)isnt worth blood. But has anyone considered that just by fighting over it signifies importance?

1. as shown by Hugo Chavez, oil can turn a nobody nation, into an annoying thorn in a superpowers side with its oil, Iran too, and arabia.

2. It can help the poor and other poor of your allies. Not to mention your economy will be booming, take Arabia for example, early 20th century a dirt poor country noone really payed attention to, and its only profit were from visiting mulims going to mecca.

3. oil profit can modernize your nation, example-mideast, poor to having some of the richest men on the planet. or hugo chavez again, not to mention popular from the aid given to south americans from oil profit.

4.contolling oil makes you a suddenly imoprtant nation among th U.N., world oil prices dont want to be doubled do they? especialy if they're under attack.

5. what do our transportation run on people?!?!?

Lets face it, if we stop crying and fight for what we need the most, the only thing more important is water and food, thats it.

If no big discussion I'll assume everyone agree's with me 100%.

**Strike For The South** · 09-05-2007, 04:04

No rescource is worth jack when it comes to lives. I dont need my countrymen going off to fight wars which have no end. I dont need my country being embrolied in what are nothing more than petty tribal squables that have been going on for hundereds of years. Im sick of everyone making the middle east so damn important when it really isnt. Im sick of other Americans telling me that we should meddle in others affiars when you should never meddle in someone elses buisness. We ask why people hate us and its really all very very simple. You take a big powerful country meddling in your affiars for the last 50 years add some powerful people who can use that country as a scapegoat and viola. Thats why they hate us. It has nothing to do with Islam or ideological diffrences just poor peasents who are looking for something more. I'm sick of it all. I've become convinced my poloticinas are nothing more than old men motivated by greed money and power and I can say I woulldnt bat an eyelash if they all fell off a cliff tommorow. bastards the lot of em. Why do we need an enemy? Why do we need to piss people off? Why do we listen to 3rd rate dictators? So the poloticans can blame someone else. Everyone today sees the world as this complex thing when in reality its one of the more simple things, making beer is harder than finding out how the world works. I know the was OT but I needed to vent.

Oil isnt worth one life end of story.

**CrossLOPER** · 09-05-2007, 04:08

Well when you find some vespene gas geysers in your backyard, I'm sure everyone will agree with you. Unfortunately, people don't like to drive cars that smell like freedom fries... and stuff.

**Proletariat** · 09-05-2007, 04:16

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

No rescource is worth jack when it comes to lives.

Any guess how many lives are saved in the US by plastic pieces of medical equipment made with oil? Oil isn't a valuable commodity so Texans can do laps around the mall on friday nights in their monster pick ups. Oil is important because of it's usefulness in an unimaginable number of ways. Not just because some cabal of evil, cigarette smoking men has hijacked America's foreign policy for the last 70 years. I agree with the jist of your rant in some ways, but it's just really not that simple.

**Ice** · 09-05-2007, 04:19

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

No rescource is worth jack when it comes to lives. I dont need my countrymen going off to fight wars which have no end. I dont need my country being embrolied in what are nothing more than petty tribal squables that have been going on for hundereds of years. Im sick of everyone making the middle east so damn important when it really isnt. Im sick of other Americans telling me that we should meddle in others affiars when you should never meddle in someone elses buisness. We ask why people hate us and its really all very very simple. You take a big powerful country meddling in your affiars for the last 50 years add some powerful people who can use that country as a scapegoat and viola. Thats why they hate us. It has nothing to do with Islam or ideological diffrences just poor peasents who are looking for something more. I'm sick of it all. I've become convinced my poloticinas are nothing more than old men motivated by greed money and power and I can say I woulldnt bat an eyelash if they all fell off a cliff tommorow. bastards the lot of em. Why do we need an enemy? Why do we need to piss people off? Why do we listen to 3rd rate dictators? So the poloticans can blame someone else. Everyone today sees the world as this complex thing when in reality its one of the more simple things, making beer is harder than finding out how the world works. I know the was OT but I needed to vent.

Oil isnt worth one life end of story.

Having a bad day, Strike?

**Strike For The South** · 09-05-2007, 04:39

You dont know the half of it. Freebird didnt cheer me up.

**seireikhaan** · 09-05-2007, 05:43

Wow, if Freebird couldn't do it...

**Brenus** · 09-05-2007, 07:49

freedom fries

**rory_20_uk** · 09-05-2007, 08:51

People put no worth to something that they get easily... Gas is cheap in the USa precicely because the USA does so much to keep it that way. Oil products are so widespread we are barely aware of them.

There are so many people and dwindling resources. Makes sense to use an abundance of one to get a slice of the other.

**Ironside** · 09-05-2007, 08:59

Originally Posted by Proletariat

Any guess how many lives are saved in the US by plastic pieces of medical equipment made with oil? Oil isn't a valuable commodity so Texans can do laps around the mall on friday nights in their monster pick ups. Oil is important because of it's usefulness in an unimaginable number of ways. Not just because some cabal of evil, cigarette smoking men has hijacked America's foreign policy for the last 70 years. I agree with the jist of your rant in some ways, but it's just really not that simple.

Tbh the amount of oil that goes to plastics and things like asphalt should fairly easily be covered by synthetic oil production. Need to do some number crunching to confirm how much that is (don't have time atm), but most of the oil goes up in smoke.

Edit: 16% of the oil isn't used as fuel.

**Husar** · 09-05-2007, 11:21

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I've become convinced my poloticinas are nothing more than old men motivated by greed money and power and I can say I woulldnt bat an eyelash if they all fell off a cliff tommorow.

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

People put no worth to something that they get easily...

Well, that's it. I think we could get new politicians easily, yet we pay for their bodyguardsa and protection. Our modern throw-away mentality needs to be extended to politicians up to the point where, when they die we just replace them instead of thinking that this would affect our nations more than when Joe Blow the car mechanic dies. It's just the same with oil, it's only important because we are reluctant to replace it.

Originally Posted by Proletariat

Any guess how many lives are saved in the US by plastic pieces of medical equipment made with oil? Oil isn't a valuable commodity so Texans can do laps around the mall on friday nights in their monster pick ups. Oil is important because of it's usefulness in an unimaginable number of ways. Not just because some cabal of evil, cigarette smoking men has hijacked America's foreign policy for the last 70 years. I agree with the jist of your rant in some ways, but it's just really not that simple.

You can also cook with oil. Also if you think evil people smoke, it's about time you stop, mylady.

Like Ironside said, this could probably be done with synthetic oil and battery cars already exist, it's just that noone wants to use them. And we don't really need plastic bottles either since we have glass, don't we? Some alternatives may have a few drawbacks but then in Medieval times people could live without them as well.

No, we shouldn't got back but throwing lots of plastic onto garbage dumps won't improve our civilization either.

**rory_20_uk** · 09-05-2007, 12:40

Politicians think that they are important in the same way Joe the Mechanic feels his life is.

Given the low incidence of attempts at leader's lives and the number of politicians jockeying for the top spot, there'd have to be a significan increase in the number of successful assasinations before the current security is justified.

**Slyspy** · 09-05-2007, 13:43

Originally Posted by K COSSACK

2. It can help the poor and other poor of your allies. Not to mention your economy will be booming, take Arabia for example, early 20th century a dirt poor country noone really payed attention to, and its only profit were from visiting mulims going to mecca.

Unhappily this is frequently not the case.

**Husar** · 09-05-2007, 23:30

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Politicians think that they are important in the same way Joe the Mechanic feels his life is.

Given the low incidence of attempts at leader's lives and the number of politicians jockeying for the top spot, there'd have to be a significan increase in the number of successful assasinations before the current security is justified.

My point exactly, when Bush visits Germany, they lock everything, get hundreds of poliecemen etc, I guess they do the same everywhere. Now if he'd be assassinated and people wouldn't care and just elect another guy with the same/similar policies, then noone would bother assassinating him I guess.

He just needs that much security because if he dies, so many people would think the end of the world is close or so, there might even be another war because of it.