When in history...

**artavazd** · 09-05-2007, 09:01

I think empire would be the control of area territory outside of ones ethnic boundries. If its withing the ethnic boundries than I consider it a kingdom.

**kambiz** · 09-05-2007, 10:58

@Bootsiuv
I think you (Or wiki infact) missed the Median empire or
Shahan Shahi'e Mad

**Zaknafien** · 09-05-2007, 11:35

Don't forget about the Harappan civilisation in modern India. Id even place the beginning of empires before that. Someone built the Pyramids, after all you know, in about what, 2611 BCE? That list is flawed too, I briefly glanced at it, but there was never a such thing as an "Israelite Empire".

**blitzkrieg80** · 09-05-2007, 18:45

ethnic boundaries? there's a loose term... in fact, before the rise of nationalism, that would make no sense to many throughout the world... indentity is an important and often overlooked factor in the development of state and history... for example, the British Empire was not called so simply because of Wales and Cornwall, even though their ethnicity would be technically different... Empire is actually a word misused throughout history, when in should be closer indentified with the elements that made it unique in a world of diverse kingships in the first place. The Romans were not the first, but they certainly defined the language.

I thought Israelite Empire seemed a little odd too... in fact, I bet that was added by a proud certain someone (not anyone here) with an agenda, going unchallenged until someone says "what the," as Wikipedia usually goes...

**artavazd** · 09-05-2007, 19:44

Originally Posted by blitzkrieg80

ethnic boundaries? there's a loose term... in fact, before the rise of nationalism, that would make no sense to many throughout the world... indentity is an important and often overlooked factor in the development of state and history... for example, the British Empire was not called so simply because of Wales and Cornwall, even though their ethnicity would be technically different... Empire is actually a word misused throughout history, when in should be closer indentified with the elements that made it unique in a world of diverse kingships in the first place. The Roman's were not the first, but they certainly defined the language.

I thought Israelite Empire seemed a little odd too... in fact, I bet that was added by a proud certain someone (not anyone here) with an agenda, going unchallenged until someone says "what the," as Wikipedia usually goes...

there were cases of nationalism before the 19th century. in the 5th century AD during the Armeno-Persian wars many refrences were made to the fatherland and faith.

**Sarkiss** · 09-05-2007, 20:47

Originally Posted by blitzkrieg80

I thought Israelite Empire seemed a little odd too... in fact, I bet that was added by a proud certain someone (not anyone here) with an agenda, going unchallenged until someone says "what the," as Wikipedia usually goes...

hey, where is Armenian empire of Tigran the Great?

**Bootsiuv** · 09-05-2007, 20:53

Come to think about it, that list also doesn't include the Athenian Empire, short-lived as it was. Maybe it isn't every empire in history.

**Cash Staks** · 09-05-2007, 23:47

Originally Posted by Bootsiuv

Come to think about it, that list also doesn't include the Athenian Empire, short-lived as it was. Maybe it isn't every empire in history.

Well, as some have said, empire is a pretty loose term. So I'm sure there would be much debate between people as to what constitutes an empire and then what "empires" could actually be called such.