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[Bootsiuv]

Why would you feel the need to take a crack at the US? Isn't there enough of that in the political mudpit on TWC? Go over there and do that stuff....let's leave the US bashing for another forum, yes?

BTW, have you ever been to America? I assume your from Norway. I do so love how people from Europe just think they know everything about us....I've heard so many stereotypes about the american people, it's getting really old.

@Zaknafien

Oh, really? That's very interesting. Thanks for your help! :)

[Sassem]

@Bootsiuv

Belgian Empire (1901 – 1962)

Wow Yesterday on the news I heard they ha(ve)d political problems something between the Vlamingen and the Waloniers (sp) I know the news is lagging a little bit behind but 45 years thats a bit too much

Do I miss something or can I drive down there and put my flag in the ground

[Bovarius]

Sassem, try us!

We kicked you out once, we'll do it again

And the troubles in Belgium are just something that has been a problem from the start of Belgium. Its quiet normal that a country in which you have 2 different people speaking two different languages (Vlamingen and Walen) you can have issues. But politicians can sometimes blow the matters so much up, together with the media that it looks like a country is falling apart. If so, it has been faling apart for 176 years, not that bad i thing.

PS: STOP MAKING HEINEKEN, its horrible!

[TWFanatic]

No, there wasnt. Recent archaeology has disproven most of the claims laid out in the Torah about the 'kingdoms' of David and Solomon. Jerusalem in the era was really only a backwater town with no real influence, while the Kingdom of Israel in the north was somewhat stronger, but still only a local power. In reality the Egyptians controlled most of that territory for centuries into the supposed time of the Israelite kings.

Interesting. Now I'm not doubting you, but could you provide any sources or links regarding these recent arechaeological discoveries?

[Conradus]

Apperently Belgian Empire is referring to the time when we still had a colony: Congo, but if that's true, then every European nation should be on the list, and the USA. They al had colonies, even the US. Biased list, that's for sure.

And we're a long way from falling apart here in Belgium.

[bovi]

Why would you feel the need to take a crack at the US? Isn't there enough of that in the political mudpit on TWC? Go over there and do that stuff....let's leave the US bashing for another forum, yes?

BTW, have you ever been to America? I assume your from Norway. I do so love how people from Europe just think they know everything about us....I've heard so many stereotypes about the american people, it's getting really old.

Err... I think he was referring to me being Norwegian. Your remark, generalizing all of Europe, is not appreciated. Let's leave it at that.

[blitzkrieg80]

Arg!!

And here I was seriously challenging the definition of "empire" in people's minds based on language... And somehow people have to talk some nonsense, insulting Norway, not the US, and yes, let's get back to the point.

Armenia. A good point there... as someone else said, where's that on the list?... now if Armenia is to be defined an empire, what is the title it's leader took? Can something greater than king be found, because if not, it's not an empire. Empires involve sub-kings, but the definition of kings is vague so that sub-dukes are entirely possible too, but merely being King and successful and having different peoples is not enough. Now, I'm not saying the amazing effort of ancient Armenia was not enough, but somebody elucidate this.

PS- the kingdom(s) of the ancient Israeli were still interesting and worthy of mention... the point was that the exagerated propoganda isn't supported by evidence... I'm not talking about religion by the way, before any sensitive types explode

[Sarkiss]

Armenia. A good point there... as someone else said, where's that on the list?... now if Armenia is to be defined an empire, what is the title it's leader took? Can something greater than king be found, because if not, it's not an empire. Empires involve sub-kings, but the definition of kings is vague so that sub-dukes are entirely possible too, but merely being King and successful and having different peoples is not enough. Now, I'm not saying the amazing effort of ancient Armenia was not enough, but somebody elucidate this.

well, isnt "Empire" a latin word?
Tigran's title (and Artavazd's afterwards) was King of Kings. Parthians, whos King held the title before, recognized him as such after reduction of Ecbatana. Plutarch describes four lesser king as his servants and bodyguards. and his empire didnt not last long, it wasnt that short lived either, comparing to some on the list (Koreans?).

[blitzkrieg80]

Sarkiss, that's awesome to hear, very interesting... thanks! so what language was the title and what title was it? was it the Persian "King of Kings"?

[Sarkiss]

Sarkiss, that's awesome to hear, very interesting... thanks! so what language was the title and what title was it? was it the Persian "King of Kings"?

in the East, there were no "Imperator"s or "Empire"s for that matter. the Assyrian and Urartian kings would call themselves Kings of Kings. though IIRC Egyptians, Sumerians before that were the first implementing the title. so if you trace the tradition back to its roots it goes well beyond the era of Achemenids and Medes.
this Eastern Imperial tradition is what Foot trying to represent with new Hayasdan's reforms. though he referred to recreating Achemenids order, which is more relevant to our time frame since Yervand's (Oronid) dynasty was related to the Achemenid dynasty and so could theoretically claim the Persian throne, restore the old order.

[Conradus]

I knew that quote too, didn't know who it was from though. But if the Israelite Empire is on that list, the Holy Roman should be, it had some political power in Europe, it's Emperor was called Emperor and under some emperors they were quite a player in Europe( Charles I, Barbarossa,...)

Regardless, Charlemagne should be on the list, his empire didn't endure, but it's comparable to the Armenian.

And Bovi, if we apply your definition of an empire, then Vatican City is one ;)

[Bootsiuv]

Err... I think he was referring to me being Norwegian. Your remark, generalizing all of Europe, is not appreciated. Let's leave it at that.

Well, his remark, generalizing all of America, was not appreciated. Let's leave it at that.

EDIT: BTW, I don't have anything against Europeans....look at the threads I've started and you'll see that I'm trying to increase community involvement. I just have something against the Europeans who think all americans are crack-smoking imperialists who drive SUVs and eat at McDonald's everyday.
EDIT2: After re-reading my post....I didn't even generalize all of Europe....I said people from Europe, which doesn't imply all people from europe....take a chill pill guy.

That dude just implied that every american is an imperialist. That's simply not the case. Allright I'm going back to being my usual nice self, and I hope we can just put this behind us.

No hard feelings, Bovi?

[Lysander13]

Well, his remark, generalizing all of America, was not appreciated. Let's leave it at that.

EDIT: BTW, I don't have anything against Europeans....look at the threads I've started and you'll see that I'm trying to increase community involvement. I just have something against the Europeans who think all americans are crack-smoking imperialists who drive SUVs and eat at McDonald's everyday.
EDIT2: After re-reading my post....I didn't even generalize all of Europe....I said people from Europe, which doesn't imply all people from europe....take a chill pill guy.

That dude just implied that every american is an imperialist. That's simply not the case. Allright I'm going back to being my usual nice self, and I hope we can just put this behind us.

No hard feelings, Bovi?

Easy friend...I think you've read this whole thing wrong. The "dude" who you said implied that every American is an imperialist......I suspect is umm...well....an American. So you see he wasn't taking a shot at the good 'ol USA. It seems it was more a bit of unfortunate chest thumping at someone else's expense...in this case Norway maybe, heh?

[Bootsiuv]

Well, whatever.

I don't like the image of americans as imperialists. Maybe Bush is, but I'm not, and I doubt any of my neighbors are either.