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    First thanks for some nice ideas. I personally think that we have a rich pool of historical units from which CA can choose rather interesting once. Never heard for example of the Ropaire which sound rather unique to me.


    About the Girandoni rifle. Girandoni was infact a raetoroman (ladin) speaking Tyrolean, and a testimonial of the skill of the local gunsmiths. The weapon itself was technological marvel, capable to deliver rapidly 35 shots stored in a tubular magazine with good accuracy. Smokeless and with the power of a .45 ACP. Howerver so complex and so different was this weapon that only specialists could handle it. Thus it was only given the small "regular" tyrolean sharpshooter corps which was usually divided in small groups throughout the austrian skirmishers.

    BTW even the regular, oldfashioned rifles allowed the tyrolean milita to win a great deal of their skirmishes while suffering only a fraction of the french or bavarian casualities. The first encounter 1706 resulted for example in over 200 dead bavarians and exactly 3 dead tyroleans...
    Of course not every victory was so loopsided


    2. American Frontierman

    Expectional marksmen and hunters were also on the other side of the Atlantic terrible enemies if the circumstances favored them. Armed with a offspring of the german rifle, the Kentucky Rifle they were capable of accurate fire from a long distance, delivered usually from behind cover. Fast and agile they are more than a match for british regulars, although a cavalry or a bajonet charge will put them in grave danger.


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    From the 30 years war (early 17th century conflict that engulfed Germany and large parts of Europe)

    Hakkapellitans: Finnish cavalry armed with pistols and rapiers (?). Serve in the Swedish army. Devastating charge and excellent morale. Weak horses (as all Swedish cavalry has due to the poor climate), however that is modelled.

    Croatian mercenary cavalry: Traditional light cavalry.
    Scottish/Irish mercenaries: Come as various kinds of excellent but expensive infantry.

    For a large part of the era mercenaries should be much better than "national" troops, particularly in battlefield morale, but have significantly higher upkeep costs.

    For the "early" era: Polish hussars. Essentially medieval knights, with a devastating but impetuous charge. Can pack a punch but will be massacred once disciplined musketeers/riflemen with a decent rate of fire come along.

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    http://www.caransebes.ro/istorie/istoric/istoria_en.htm
    Through an imperial decree from 1762 the Empress Maria Theresa sets up the military units for the guarding of the borders, and so, in the year 1768, the Romanian-Banat Border Regiment nr.13 is established. From its founding, the regiment had quite a few names: the Border Regiment nr.72 (1769), the Romanian - Illyrian Border Infantry Regiment (1775), the Wallachian - Illyrian Border Regiment nr.13 (1798), the Wallachian - Banat Border Regiment nr.13 (1838), and finally, the Romanian - Banat Border Regiment nr.13 (1849).
    In its organization it had many stages, before it finally contained: the Bistra Valley, from the Marga commune until Caransebes, the Timis - Cerna passage (with the adjacent valleys), from Orsova until the Svinita commune, Craina Banateana and the Almaj Valley, from the Prigor commune until the Lapusnicul Mare commune. From a military point of view, in the peace time, regiment was organized in 12 companies, who had a variable number of border guard communes (a total of 96).
    During the 104 years in which the regiment functioned, it gave 25 generals, over 200 superior officers, a great number of inferior officers and sub officers. Over 40 boarder guards followed the superior courses. For the courageous actions, the flag of the regiment, officers and sub officer and also boarder guards were recompensed with the following orders and medals: 10 of gold, 31 of silver 1st class and 36 of silver 2nd class. On one of the straps of the flag of the regiment there was written: “The courage of Romus, let it be over us”. This strap is exposed at the History Museum in Vienna.
    20 years after the disbanding of the Nasaud regiment, in 1871, the border regiment of Caransebes is also disbanded, because of a new form of governing, the Austro-Hungarian dualism, but also because of the reduction of the Turkish danger.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%83s%C4%83ud
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    So the austrian army can have in her ranks two wallachian borders regiments, Caransebes and Nasaud.One of them fought against Napoleon in Italy. I have hard time in finding resources regarding these two units but maybe somebody that have more knowledge in austrian army history can help me
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    Hakkapeliitta actually rode Finnhorses which were very high quality and rather large for the time.

    They were light cavalry that hit like heavy cavalry and terrified their foes to the point of inspiring special prayers for protection against them. Their ferocity, speed and violence of action led some to believe they were enhanced by witchcraft (and being wierd Finns didn't help in that regard... Freaky hungaraineskimoscandanavianreindeersovietmassacringwoodsysaunagoing types ).
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    British Redcoats, dont need a pic or discription cuz every1 knows who they were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akeichi Mitsuhide
    British Redcoats, dont need a pic or discristion cuz every1 knows who they were.
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    Since i see that the hussars were already mentioned.

    Cossacks
    The Cossacks (Russian: Каза́ки, Kazaki; Ukrainian: Коза́ки, Kozaky, Polish: Kozacy) are a traditional community of people living in the southern steppe regions of Eastern Europe (primarily Ukraine and southern Russia) and Asian Russia. They are famous for their self-reliance and military skills, particularly horsemanship. "Cossack" may also refer to a member of a Cossack military unit. Originally Cossacks were runaway Ruthenian peasants who escaped Polish and Russian feudal pressure and settled in the southern steppes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodion Romanovich
    The lobsters!
    I thought 'lobsters' was the name given by the Brittish to French heavy cav because of their armoured breast plates ?

    Gotta have 95th Rifles in there ; )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaleukos
    For the "early" era: Polish hussars. Essentially medieval knights, with a devastating but impetuous charge. Can pack a punch but will be massacred once disciplined musketeers/riflemen with a decent rate of fire come along.
    Polish hussars were not "essentialy medieval knight" they were armed almost identical to napoleonic era Cuirassiers (with one notable exception - 6m long lance). That obviously plus all the "fancy" decorations etc.

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    I'm not to good with the 1700's history but didn't the green beret american sharpshooters start in the revolutionary war and if thats so then this game definately needs those you know like a small units of 20 or so men with extremely long range
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