Shieldwall

[TWFanatic]

In their descriptions, some of my units can use the shield wall and schiltrom. Yet in battle, they have no special abilities.

Is that just for BI?

[Foot]

In their descriptions, some of my units can use the shield wall and schiltrom. Yet in battle, they have no special abilities.

Is that just for BI?

We have our own version of the shieldwall, pressing the guard button will tighten the formation of Hoplitai and the like.

We don't have the schiltrom in any form, nor is it included in our descriptions. This must be a BI thing.

Foot

[The Celtic Viking]

We have our own version of the shieldwall, pressing the guard button will tighten the formation of Hoplitai and the like.

We don't have the schiltrom in any form, nor is it included in our descriptions. This must be a BI thing.

Foot

Don't you mean the loose/tight formation button? (Where the "loose" formation is the "shieldwall".)

Schiltroms is indeed a BI thing, as are "real" shieldwalls (as in a shieldwall that's built into the battle system, like the [sarissa-]phalanx formation).

[TWFanatic]

Kinda like in SPQR eh? Strange though, I've never noticed it in EB. Will try guard mode and formation buttons next time to try and find it.

As for the Schiltrom, Polybian Triarii have that formation. See the EDU.

[Reno Melitensis]

If you installed a non official EB mod, like Darth or others, those changes are for EB with BI.

Cheers.

[Son of Perun]

I wasn't clear enough. I just want to know which units in EB with BI should use shieldwall (because they used it historically).

[Foot]

Using shieldwall from BI on units in EB without altering the original EB stats is unadvisable as it will imbalance those units.

Foot

[Son of Perun]

Then spear-armed units are disadvantaged. For example germanic lancemen are useless without shielwall.
BTW, has anyone made minimod to rebalance EB for BI?

[Bootsiuv]

Using shieldwall from BI on units in EB without altering the original EB stats is unadvisable as it will imbalance those units.

Foot

Just out of curiousity, why? I'm just thinking about it....shieldwall doesn't do that much does it? What I mean is, it just brings guys closer together and there aren't any defensive bonuses given, are there?

Once again, this is simply out of curiosity, and I'm not disagreeing with you or anything. It just got me wondering if BI's shieldwall gives a + to defense stats.

[Ferromancer]

I wasn't clear enough. I just want to know which units in EB with BI should use shieldwall (because they used it historically).

If you used my installer to get EB working in BI, no units should have both schiltrom and shieldwall (that would be a bug on my part). If so, please tell me which unit it is. For other units, non-skirmisher units with large shields can shield wall. Spear units that have cavarly bonuses, and do not have shield wall, can use the schiltrom.

I haven't tried turning on both BI shieldwall and EB pseudoshieldwall at the same time, but I don't recommend it. I *should* disable the pseudoshieldwall in the txt file and restore the loose formation, but I have no idea how to do that . Any help would be appreciated.

EDIT: the installer I'm talking about is this one: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=88717

[Son of Perun]

Sounds interesting, Ferromancer.

I know that Gauls and Germans were using shieldwall formations in EB timeframe, but I don't know which units.