Which (mainland Greek faction) is superior?

[Bootsiuv]

The KH are no push-overs....and they have access to good regional cavalry which make up for that weakness in there armed forces. The Bodyguard hoplites and Spartans are ruthless.

I would definitely take the KH over the other two simply because of their starting position. The pelleponese is easily defendable, as is Attika and the islands.

That being said, the other two probably do have a superior army. The KH is a little outdated for the game period. The successor armies were superior to classical armies....throw in Epeirotes ability to recruit elephants in Ambrakia, and they definitely have a healthy line-up. They also have to fight Rome, and Makedon has to worry about the barbarians to the north, the Epeirotes to the west, and the KH to the south....not exactly an easy starting position.

Just my 2 cents

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Epirotes have ugly green tunics and KH has too few regionals, so i'd say Macedon

[Tellos Athenaios]

It depends on how you want to play your battles; but I think I must go with Makedonia here.

For a quick no worries back-bone of your army: Phalangitai, ready made.
For an all-round quality mix: well; they might lack Thorakitai type units, but make up for it with regionals.

You will be surprised to see how effectively you can tackle any Mak-style army with your regular Koinon troops: you can anihilate their cavalry and infantry cores with your much more mobile infantry line-up.
Also in the upcoming builds, you will find the Koinon to have access to better elite foot guards than the Makedonians; only matched/outperformed by their Seleukid; Iberian & Irish equivalents.

Yes, the Koinon have the ideal toolkit for mopping up Makedonian battle lines (even better than the Romans or Celts have), only surpassed by the Qartadastim forces.
Thing is; the Koinon will always suffer from missile-based armies - even though not as bad as the early Romans, or Celts will.

[Zarax]

It depends on how you want to play your battles; but I think I must go with Makedonia here.

For a quick no worries back-bone of your army: Phalangitai, ready made.
For an all-round quality mix: well; they might lack Thorakitai type units, but make up for it with regionals.

You will be surprised to see how effectively you can tackle any Mak-style army with your regular Koinon troops: you can anihilate their cavalry and infantry cores with your much more mobile infantry line-up.
Also in the upcoming builds, you will find the Koinon to have access to better elite foot guards than the Makedonians; only matched/outperformed by their Seleukid; Iberian & Irish equivalents.

Yes, the Koinon have the ideal toolkit for mopping up Makedonian battle lines (even better than the Romans or Celts have), only surpassed by the Qartadastim forces.
Thing is; the Koinon will always suffer from missile-based armies - even though not as bad as the early Romans, or Celts will.

Ah, the famous Thorakitai Chobamai (A cookie to who finds the reference)...
That will definitely make the game more interesting...
Speaking of units, are there any plans for a bosphoran greek unit like it's been done for massiliote hoplitai?

[pezhetairoi]

The KH are no push-overs....and they have access to good regional cavalry which make up for that weakness in there armed forces.

Hey bootsiuv, what regional cavalry are we speaking of? I wasn't aware they had any good cavalry at all unless they conquered Scythian parts...

[sgsandor]

I have to agree that KH looks kool but in Greece its gotta be my boys in Green Epiros! This sounds kind of dumb but they remind of Guns n Roses albulm appetite for destruction cause they just wanna take everyone on!

[Spoofa]

Makedonia.


Period.


Although the KH have some awesome phalanx units (underhanded spear)

Alexander rocks.

everybody else loses.

Alexander is like chuck norris

[Anastasios Helios]

If you conquer Thessalia, then you can recruit Hippeis Thessalikoi. They are decent horsemen for holding off the Hetaraioi. I'm interested in learning more about these new powerful bodyguard units. I would love to see the Spartans put more fear in enemy units.

[Bootsiuv]

If I'm not mistaken, Thessalonian Cavalry are regionals, and they're good-quality light cavalry....aside from Hippeis that's about it as far as I know....and if I'm not mistaken, Thessalonian Cavalry are far superior to Hippeis.

I don't worry too much about cavalry though....light hoplites from Athens cover my flanks very well, and they're fast enough to go around the Makedonian flanks themselves.

EDIT: Anastasio, you beat me to it.

@Pezhetaroi

I'm sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with your assumptions that the KH has a bad starting position. It's quite well known that Antigonus ALWAYS goes north to defend Pella from Pyrrhos. I've played several KH games and have never had Athens attacked on turn 1.

I always take Korinthos on turn 2 and Chalkis on turn 3....and after that, I'd say the KH has the most defensible position in the game.

[Anastasios Helios]

*high five*

Ζιτο Ελλας!

[Spoofa]

oops..... double post sorry

[Spoofa]

rebellious greeks...... taking the most defend able position in greece...

you're lives would be much nicer under the makedonian rule, with our big long sarissa's...... (figurative language for somthing else that is makedonian and big and long.....? )

[pezhetairoi]

Oh if the KH can recruit Thessalikoi, then that's alright. They are called medium cavalry, but the way they can hold their own against even hetairoi, I'd say they deserve to be called heavy cavalry. On the light side, but still heavy. The Thessalikoi are the heaviest and best-performing medium cav ingame IMHO, and if the KH have them, all that's missing is larger unit sizes, and we're all set. Even as it is, they are now viable.

[Fondor_Yards]

Hmmm in the newest build use beta guys are getting.....Epirotes easy. Best Units+Best Skins=Ownage.

[pezhetairoi]

Hmm. Without telling us too much, are you saying Epeiros has changes, have other factions been nerfed so Epeiros becomes easier? I much prefer Makedonia personally, the Black Death is deadlier than the Grey one! Or the Green one, which to me is just a species of mold.

[keravnos]

*high five*

Ζιτο Ελλας!

please forgive my urge to correct you, but my mother was a "Φιλόλογος"...

Zήτω η Ελλάς! Ζήτω το "Κοινόν Ελλήνων"!

[Anastasios Helios]

My excitement while typing in Greek always gets the better of me...ugly typos. :-/

[Vorian]

I prefer playng with KH cause I like the challenge of it, trying to fight the Seleucids, Ptolemies and Romands is quite a challenge. And I usually need some years before I manage to move to northern Greece and take Pella and Ambrakia.
When I play as Macedon it's easy to conquer all Greece and go to Asia Minor, which I find boring.
And for some reason, Ijust don't like the Epirots..Maybe cause I always disliked Pyrrhos, dying by a brick thrown by some woman in Argos, what an uncool death for an Alexander wanabe.