KotR cataclysmic event discussion thread

**Privateerkev** · 09-11-2007, 19:54

I think part of the fun of this will be the suspense. I don't want to know much OOC. I want to discover things IC and maybe know a little extra OOC to help with my own planning.

Unless people want a totally separate "spoilers" thread for this during the 10 year reign of terror but I won't read it until after its all done.

**Kagemusha** · 09-11-2007, 20:05

Maybe we should just add the power of Kaiser and Dukes significantly. Also maybe give Kaiser the power to remove Dukes from office. In order for this to be interesting, i think there should be more internal strife. By that i dont mean only arguing in Diet, but increased role of houses, so much that if a member of rival house would be elected as Chancellor,that would mean trouble for your house immediately. Damned if we just could have civil wars in this game.

**TinCow** · 09-11-2007, 20:10

Originally Posted by Kagemusha

In order for this to be interesting, i think there should be more internal strife.

That's a very good point. In order to implement this, I will include options such as:

(X) The nearby Franconian castle of X is not currently governed. You can use your authority as a Swabian Count to enlist some of their regiments into your own army. They will join you, greatly increasing your strength, but making the Franconian castle vulnerable.

Again, my 'option' list will not be definitive. If you want to do something (like stabbing a neighbouring House in the back) that I have not listed, simply tell me and I will implement it.

**Kagemusha** · 09-11-2007, 20:24

Originally Posted by TinCow

That's a very good point. In order to implement this, I will include options such as:

(X) The nearby Franconian castle of X is not currently governed. You can use your authority as a Swabian Count to enlist some of their regiments into your own army. They will join you, greatly increasing your strength, but making the Franconian castle vulnerable.

Again, my 'option' list will not be definitive. If you want to do something (like stabbing a neighbouring House in the back) that I have not listed, simply tell me and I will implement it.

How about an idea which would make this possible permanently. Lets call it Imperial reform. Currently we have Dukes and houses that are determined by the family tree. How about if we would free the characters to join any house? Also maybe there could be Imperial counts. Il try make some sense how this would work. Basically the reform could return all the current settlements back to Kaiser, except maybe the Ducal capitals and Jerusalem, which would be left to the Dukes and King of Outremer. Then based on their contributions towards the Kaiser, Dukes could get settlements from Kaiser and offer them to any characters thus gaining supporters. Kaiser could also give settlements to his trusted men straight, thus creating Imperial counts that would be ofcourse in dept to Kaiser and should follow his policies. Both Kaiser and Dukes should have the power to take the countship away. This could create a situation where the Houses and Kaisers party would be based on same politics, rather then family tree. I think this could turn the political aspect of the game pretty much. Also it would strengthen the Kaiser´s role very much. The houses would turn unbalanced in their power,based on the politics of the Duke´s, also Kaiser could basicly decide how much power he would give to Dukes, which depending on his politics, could turn certain Dukes to Kaiser´s lapdogs or even more powerful then him.
What do you guys think about that kind of idea?

EDIT: Also to continue the idea. We could start electing the Kaiser like it was done many times in HRE. This would no doubt give boost to the internal struggle also.

**Tamur** · 09-11-2007, 20:50

I think this sort of reorganisation will be inevitable in the aftermath of whatever is going to happen.

We're obviously going to lose a number of territories (perhaps even ducal capitals?) and it would be surprising to have it turn out that all houses are equal at the end. And who knows, perhaps there will be major losses of avatars, etc? Keeping exactly the same structure as currently may not make sense given that.

However, I do think that these sorts of changes should be regulated by the Diet at the time the world stabilises. I do like the idea Kagemusha.

**Privateerkev** · 09-11-2007, 21:05

From where we're standing right now, I am against reforming the patronage system for the rest of the game. I rather we wait till the next game to figure that out.

Having said that, Tamur is right in pointing out that we might have a totally different situation after the 10 year cataclysm. At that point, it may be more practical to reform some things. But, I rather we figure that out IC afterwards and not OOC beforehand.

**Kagemusha** · 09-11-2007, 21:11

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

From where we're standing right now, I am against reforming the patronage system for the rest of the game. I rather we wait till the next game to figure that out.

Having said that, Tamur is right in pointing out that we might have a totally different situation after the 10 year cataclysm. At that point, it may be more practical to reform some things. But, I rather we figure that out IC afterwards and not OOC beforehand.

Well i think that it will only turn back the same after a while. If we start now thinking about the next game at this point,we might aswell end this one. I want for this to be a thrill to the end. And it seems bit boring if the only means towards that goal are artificial bumbs on the road until the end of the game.