General Discussion

[King Orko]

I think the map should be much smaller.

[Vla_86]

I think Karaman should be added as a another muslim faction.Just for balance in Asia Minor.This mod starts at year 1345,and Karaman was a important state at that time.Karaman was founded in the middle of 13th century and fell to Ottomans in late 15the century.Just like Matko said for Hungary on the north,I think Ottomans could be become too strong in early period in Asia Minor and make a real mess in Balkans .Thrue expansion of Ottomans begins in second half of 15th century.

[Sarmatian]

Thrue expansion of Ottomans begins in second half of 15th century.

Not entirely true. Before Constantinople fell (1453), Ottoman Empire was the chief power both in Asia Minor and Balkans...

Concerning them making mess in the Balkans - well that's what happened historicaly.

[Sarmatian]

If our esteemed leader agrees, I propose adding Karaman and Bosnia as new factions and then we should finalize our faction list so that we can actualy start working...

I still have mixed feelings about Hapsburgs. If we are just gonna put them as a counterweight to Hungary, we could just as well put Genoa as a counterweight to Venice. But the fact still stands that neither had any real influence in this part of the world in mod's timeframe...

[Tsar]

I am against to add Bosnia as a faction, because that will put Serbia in very difficult situation. There will be no rebels provinces to expand and if you consider very strong Hungary on the north, Bulgaria on the east and Ottomans coming from the south. Will be very hard to play as a Serbia

[Sarmatian]

I am against to add Bosnia as a faction, because that will put Serbia in very difficult situation. There will be no rebels provinces to expand and if you consider very strong Hungary on the north, Bulgaria on the east and Ottomans coming from the south. Will be very hard to play as a Serbia

That's not a good reason not to include Bosnia. Rebels should only be used to fill up empty spots.

And anyway, in 1345, the only real Serbian rival in the penninsula was Hungary and Ottoman Sultanate. Bulgaria and Bosnia were in no shape to challenge Serbia's dominance, which should make playing those factions extremely interesting.

[matko]

and the Bosnian heretic Krstjani would really make situation interesting. he he
we should enable crusades for Hungary to deal with the heretics (Krstjani), schismatics (Orthodox) and infidels (Muslims). he he.
remember that in Hungary at that time idea of a holy war still could raise masses (Nicopolis, siege of Belgrade and numerous attacks on Bosnia were justified as a defense of the "only true faith"). most of there "crusades" were unsuccessful but they were an important factor.