Thompson doesn't hate gays enough for the Evangelicals' liking

[Proletariat]

I don't understand the 'coming to grips' bit, either. What is there to come to terms with? Republicans have alot of hypocrites? If this is such a shock to you that you need to 'come to grips' with it, I'm a little surprised at your ...naivety.

wait a minute ...who the hell are you and where did our resident prosimian cynic go?!

[Devastatin Dave]

This threads soooo gay....

[Strike For The South]

I really hate the people in charge. Like really. Iraq welfare school anyother issues that we could slove but noooooooooooooooooooooooooo. The gays.agaun. Who do these people think they are!!!!! THERE GAY WHO CARES WHY DOES IT MATTER????????? I blame this all on old people. There the ones who vote old people and people who think they know whats right those are the people who vote and screw us.

[Lemur]

I'm not at all sure what you [n]are[/n] saying.

I don't understand the 'coming to grips' bit, either. What is there to come to terms with?

I'm just playing around with cause and effect when it comes to the weird relationship between closeted gay men and the Republican leadership. Came across an account of research from the fifties about how "degenerates" would sometimes gravitate toward the most upright, conservative, moralistic positions they could find. It finally sheds some light on why there is a steady drip-drip-drip of morals scandals. I reprinted the relevant portion, and contrasted it with the fact that there is a portion of the base that is honestly opposed to all things queer.

And I tried to make it painfully clear that I was not trying to paint the entire Republican party with a single brush. Terribly sorry this makes for such an unsatisfying meal.

[HoreTore]

I really hate the people in charge. Like really. Iraq welfare school anyother issues that we could slove but noooooooooooooooooooooooooo. The gays.agaun. Who do these people think they are!!!!! THERE GAY WHO CARES WHY DOES IT MATTER????????? I blame this all on old people. There the ones who vote old people and people who think they know whats right those are the people who vote and screw us.

Reason, sense and intellect. Perfection.

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Bad spelling aside, of course, but one can always blame that on alcohol

SFTS '08!!

[Devastatin Dave]

And I tried to make it painfully clear that I was not trying to paint the entire Republican party with a single brush. Terribly sorry this makes for such an unsatisfying meal.

Uh-hu

[Xiahou]

I'm just playing around with cause and effect when it comes to the weird relationship between closeted gay men and the Republican leadership.

Mark Foley and Craig were part of the Republican leadership? Most of us never heard of them until their respective scandals broke.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm just playing around with cause and effect when it comes to the weird relationship between closeted gay men and the Republican leadership.

What relationship? As Xiahou said, who heard of Foley or Craig before this?

Came across an account of research from the fifties about how "degenerates" would sometimes gravitate toward the most upright, conservative, moralistic positions they could find.

And that New Jersey Governor? You're using a study that's 35 years old, you think political positions, like acceptance of gays, has changed since then?



CR

[Lemur]

Okay, that was deeply unrewarding. The only person who raised any ideas even remotely related to the substance of the post was Crazed Rabbit, whom I thank for stopping by. You make an excellent point about the changing attitude toward gays.

DevDave, Prole, Xiahou, I wasn't trying to rain on your parade.

[Goofball]

Mark Foley and Craig were part of the Republican leadership? Most of us never heard of them until their respective scandals broke.

I would think that having been elected to the U.S. Senate and/or House, the highest elected offices that party members can hold other than President or VP, would qualify them as Republican leaders. Certainly if I were Joe Blow card carrying Republican rank and file member I would think of Republican legislators as my party's leaders, anyway.

But you guys are showing by your arguing over small semantic points that you really have missed the thrust of Lemur's post.

[Proletariat]

Okay, I still don't get it. The psychological connection is high school level psych. In what party are you going to find closet homosexuals other then the one that doesn't not endorse gay 'rights'? Where are you going to find more closet homosexuals? In the Catholic Church where it's forbidden, or in a park in San Francisco?

[Xiahou]

Okay, I still don't get it. The psychological connection is high school level psych. In what party are you going to find closet homosexuals other then the one that doesn't not endorse gay 'rights'? Where are you going to find more closet homosexuals? In the Catholic Church where it's forbidden, or in a park in San Francisco?

I don't get it either. Love the comparisons though.

But you guys are showing by your arguing over small semantic points that you really have missed the thrust of Lemur's post.

Well, I'm still looking for it and not finding one. Is he honestly wondering why, in a group that would have to include several thousand individials(by your definition of leadership), that a few are closeted homosexuals? Is this a shocker to anyone- especially since we're reaching as far back as Roy Kohn?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I think the theme our Lemur is after is this:

Why are some "gay" individuals stupid enough to make themselves an active part of the political party that goes further than any other in championing traditional values/sex roles, when history tells us that they will be caught out and publicly humiliated for their lifestyle, the inherent hypocrisy of their chosen political stance, or both?

The answer he posits is an old theory, but that theory has never been proven completely invalid. It runs thusly -- I fear being gay in a society that treats such individuals poorly and marginalizes them so thoroughly, so I will refuse to openly acknowledge that aspect of myself and, to make it seem that I could never be one of "them" I will take strong public stances "opposing" that group. I suspect there is some truth here, but accepting this answer usually assumes self-loathing or machiavellian deception. Humanity is more complex.

I suspect, as we know from addictive behavior, that people spend a lot of time lying to themselves.

I also suspect that people are, and can be, clueless and/or confused about a host of subjects -- including aspects of their own sexuality.

Therefore, while I suspect the theory Lemur has brought to the fore touches on some of the answer, I would caution that human sexuality is far too nuanced for one simple answer to explain things fully.


I will now go back to listening to Limbaugh play "Happy Feet."

[Goofball]

I would think that having been elected to the U.S. Senate and/or House, the highest elected offices that party members can hold other than President or VP, would qualify them as Republican leaders. Certainly if I were Joe Blow card carrying Republican rank and file member I would think of Republican legislators as my party's leaders, anyway.

But you guys are showing by your arguing over small semantic points that you really have missed the thrust of Lemur's post.

Well, I'm still looking for it and not finding one. Is he honestly wondering why, in a group that would have to include several thousand individials(by your definition of leadership), that a few are closeted homosexuals? Is this a shocker to anyone- especially since we're reaching as far back as Roy Kohn?

Actually, I'm not sure what Lemur is talking about either. I just wanted to use the words "blow" and "thrust" in the same post in this thread.

[Xiahou]

I just wanted to use the words "blow" and "thrust" in the same post in this thread.

Oh you!