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    Default Re: High Profile Libertarian Republican says Iraq invasion motivated by oil

    Who cares what the former FED Chairman thinks about the war?



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    Amateurs talk tactics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice
    Who cares what the former FED Chairman thinks about the war?
    No-one, I suppose. However, if he enlists or is conscripted and dies in the war, then his family will react to that, and they have the means to change the will of others(and the right ones). A poor mans family does not(with a few exceptions, of course).
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    You mean the war wasn't about WMD; Regime change but about Haliburton oil?

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    Noooo! And here we all thought it was about "spreading the light of democracy" in the Middle East?! LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    No-one, I suppose. However, if he enlists or is conscripted and dies in the war, then his family will react to that, and they have the means to change the will of others(and the right ones). A poor mans family does not(with a few exceptions, of course).
    What?

    Enlists? Conscript? The man is in his 70s, not to mention that the government has not and most likely will not conscript anyone.



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    Default Re: High Profile Libertarian Republican says Iraq invasion motivated by oil

    But its still the same principle: Poor people dying for no reason that involves them, for the benefit of a few wealthy individuals. Been the same throughout history.


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    Default Re: High Profile Libertarian Republican says Iraq invasion motivated by oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaknafien
    But its still the same principle: Poor people dying for no reason that involves them, for the benefit of a few wealthy individuals. Been the same throughout history.
    Simple solution if you believe something like this: Don't join the military.

    They won't, as I said, that would mean that important people died instead of poor people nobody cares about...
    I wouldn't say all soldiers are poor and no one cares about them. Besides, like I said before, they volunteer. When you volunteer to serve in a nation's armed forces you are pretty much agreeing to be deployed wherever they might see fit. If you don't like this, then don't join.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaknafien
    But its still the same principle: Poor people dying for no reason that involves them, for the benefit of a few wealthy individuals. Been the same throughout history.
    Nope. In reality, you are wrong:
    These results have been confirmed in recent editions of this report, which portray a socioeconomic composition of enlisted accessions similar to the population as a whole, but with the top quartile of the population underrepresented.(6) While the socioeconomic status of recruits is slightly lower than the general population, today's recruits have higher levels of education, measured aptitudes, and reading skills than their civilian counterparts.
    http://www.defenselink.mil/prhome/po...chapter_7.html

    That oft-repeated belief that only the poor enlist is wrong, like so many other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    That oft-repeated belief that only the poor enlist is wrong, like so many other things.
    You'd think he'd know better....

    And Greenspan has explicitly said that he never heard oil used as justification- what he is saying is that he personally felt that the importance of oil would justify the invasion. I don't really understand that notion personally.
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    Default Re: High Profile Libertarian Republican says Iraq invasion motivated by oil

    The top quarter? That's a curious measurement to use, since it hides the rich among those with merely a reasonably high above average income. While I don't think the statement that the army consists of the poor can be correct, I do think the rich are underrepresented. And to be honest, why shouldn't that be the case?
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    Default Re: High Profile Libertarian Republican says Iraq invasion motivated by oil

    LOL!! you guys really disliked that huh?

    Whats the matter aint got the balls to fight for what you need?

    EDIT: dammit than what will you guys fight for? oh ok lets all talk this over guys, yeah right talking is for the civilized, WAR is for all else.
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    Default Re: High Profile Libertarian Republican says Iraq invasion motivated by oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    Nope. In reality, you are wrong:

    http://www.defenselink.mil/prhome/po...chapter_7.html

    That oft-repeated belief that only the poor enlist is wrong, like so many other things.

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    Wow, Im sorry, Im actually in the military, and I see what the recruits are these days. Take your military sponsored propaganda BS and get rid of it.

    A large majority of the privates that come in these days are under-educated or mere high school diploma or GED holders who join for 'benefits' because they have no other options. Not to mention that military pay is below the poverty level in the first place if you're not an officer.

    You have no idea what you're talking about. Get a clue.

    You think an 18 year old kid from a poor town in Iowa gets any benefit from going off to Iraq or wherever and killing people for no reason, because a guy in a suit said they were "evildoers"?


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    Default Re: High Profile Libertarian Republican says Iraq invasion motivated by oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaknafien
    Wow, Im sorry, Im actually in the military, and I see what the recruits are these days. Take your military sponsored propaganda BS and get rid of it.
    Look, I respect you for joining the military, but that doesn't make you all knowing about its demographic composition.

    Why should I listen to anecdotes when I have access to statistical data?

    I do find it funny you call everything that disagrees with you 'propaganda'.

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    Default Re: High Profile Libertarian Republican says Iraq invasion motivated by oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Ice
    Enlists? Conscript? The man is in his 70s,
    I was talking generally, not about him specifically.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ice
    not to mention that the government has not and most likely will not conscript anyone.
    They won't, as I said, that would mean that important people died instead of poor people nobody cares about...
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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