Who cares what the former FED Chairman thinks about the war?
Who cares what the former FED Chairman thinks about the war?
Amateurs talk tactics.
Professionals talk logistics.
Methinks that Mr Coal Train is a specialist in logistics.
No-one, I suppose. However, if he enlists or is conscripted and dies in the war, then his family will react to that, and they have the means to change the will of others(and the right ones). A poor mans family does not(with a few exceptions, of course).Originally Posted by Ice
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
You mean the war wasn't aboutWMD;Regime changebut aboutHaliburtonoil?
Well I'll go t'ut foot of our stairs!![]()
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
Noooo! And here we all thought it was about "spreading the light of democracy" in the Middle East?! LOL
"urbani, seruate uxores: moechum caluom adducimus. / aurum in Gallia effutuisti, hic sumpsisti mutuum." --Suetonius, Life of Caesar
What?Originally Posted by HoreTore
Enlists? Conscript? The man is in his 70s, not to mention that the government has not and most likely will not conscript anyone.
But its still the same principle: Poor people dying for no reason that involves them, for the benefit of a few wealthy individuals. Been the same throughout history.
"urbani, seruate uxores: moechum caluom adducimus. / aurum in Gallia effutuisti, hic sumpsisti mutuum." --Suetonius, Life of Caesar
Simple solution if you believe something like this: Don't join the military.Originally Posted by Zaknafien
I wouldn't say all soldiers are poor and no one cares about them. Besides, like I said before, they volunteer. When you volunteer to serve in a nation's armed forces you are pretty much agreeing to be deployed wherever they might see fit. If you don't like this, then don't join.They won't, as I said, that would mean that important people died instead of poor people nobody cares about...
Nope. In reality, you are wrong:Originally Posted by Zaknafien
http://www.defenselink.mil/prhome/po...chapter_7.htmlThese results have been confirmed in recent editions of this report, which portray a socioeconomic composition of enlisted accessions similar to the population as a whole, but with the top quartile of the population underrepresented.(6) While the socioeconomic status of recruits is slightly lower than the general population, today's recruits have higher levels of education, measured aptitudes, and reading skills than their civilian counterparts.
That oft-repeated belief that only the poor enlist is wrong, like so many other things.
CR
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
You'd think he'd know better....Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
And Greenspan has explicitly said that he never heard oil used as justification- what he is saying is that he personally felt that the importance of oil would justify the invasion. I don't really understand that notion personally.
Last edited by Xiahou; 09-17-2007 at 21:25.
"Don't believe everything you read online."
-Abraham Lincoln
The top quarter? That's a curious measurement to use, since it hides the rich among those with merely a reasonably high above average income. While I don't think the statement that the army consists of the poor can be correct, I do think the rich are underrepresented. And to be honest, why shouldn't that be the case?
"The facts of history cannot be purely objective, since they become facts of history only in virtue of the significance attached to them by the historian." E.H. Carr
LOL!! you guys really disliked that huh?
Whats the matter aint got the balls to fight for what you need?
EDIT: dammit than what will you guys fight for? oh ok lets all talk this over guys, yeah right talking is for the civilized, WAR is for all else.
Last edited by Boyar Son; 09-17-2007 at 23:25.
Wow, Im sorry, Im actually in the military, and I see what the recruits are these days. Take your military sponsored propaganda BS and get rid of it.Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
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A large majority of the privates that come in these days are under-educated or mere high school diploma or GED holders who join for 'benefits' because they have no other options. Not to mention that military pay is below the poverty level in the first place if you're not an officer.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Get a clue.
You think an 18 year old kid from a poor town in Iowa gets any benefit from going off to Iraq or wherever and killing people for no reason, because a guy in a suit said they were "evildoers"?![]()
"urbani, seruate uxores: moechum caluom adducimus. / aurum in Gallia effutuisti, hic sumpsisti mutuum." --Suetonius, Life of Caesar
Look, I respect you for joining the military, but that doesn't make you all knowing about its demographic composition.Originally Posted by Zaknafien
Why should I listen to anecdotes when I have access to statistical data?
I do find it funny you call everything that disagrees with you 'propaganda'.
CR
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
I was talking generally, not about him specifically.Originally Posted by Ice
They won't, as I said, that would mean that important people died instead of poor people nobody cares about...Originally Posted by Ice
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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