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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironsword
    Tried Turks, got obliterated by the GH.

    I may try the Italians before resurrecting my great Sultan ambitions...
    Tip: Many Turk players go after the Egyptians right away, especially the sultan in Antioch. Capture him in battle, ransom him for a hefty sum, then repeat. Soon the Eggies will be too broke to build or train anything, and won't be able to put up much resistance as you conquer their lands. You'll then have the economic base necessary to take on the Byzantines.


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    Just for the record- Egypt/Almos has been considered quite a bit by me. Perhaps after this Italian campaign I too will resurrect my great Sultan ambitions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martok
    Tip: Many Turk players go after the Egyptians right away, especially the sultan in Antioch. Capture him in battle, ransom him for a hefty sum, then repeat. Soon the Eggies will be too broke to build or train anything, and won't be able to put up much resistance as you conquer their lands. You'll then have the economic base necessary to take on the Byzantines.



    Eggies! Eggies! Eggies! They rule!
    How are their start up economics? I'm assuming they have extremely valuable, fertile land to begin with but I'm not sure how their money making capabilities fair against say the Italians or the Spanish.

    Especially in Medieval Total War, I'm very much along the lines of a "turtle" economics player. I like to dig in, and build the best economy in the game...while building everything needed for the first major offensive somewhere down the line.

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    Well, personally, I'd take out the Turks ASAP, which, for me, means taking Syria the 1st turn, then regrouping a bit, and then taking Armenia and Rum. After that, you can turtle to your hearts content and get insanely wealthy, just so long as you fend of the occasional crusade and any potential "annoyances" from the Byzantines. I would also advise, after about 40 or 50 turns, to gang up on the Almos with the Spanish, and take a bit of the North African coast to relieve any immediate pressures on Egypt. I'd say Egypt actually has much better economic potential than Venice, with Egypt, Antioch, and Tripoli all pretty good to very good on trade income and farm income, and Palestine very good on farm income as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtistofWarfare
    How are their start up economics? I'm assuming they have extremely valuable, fertile land to begin with but I'm not sure how their money making capabilities fair against say the Italians or the Spanish.

    Especially in Medieval Total War, I'm very much along the lines of a "turtle" economics player. I like to dig in, and build the best economy in the game...while building everything needed for the first major offensive somewhere down the line.
    If you're asking about the Egyptians, then I can tell you that they start with three of the wealthiest provinces in the entire game -- Antioch, Tripoli, and Egypt itself. (Palestine gets decent income as well, although it lacks trade goods).

    Even if all you did was build the farm upgrades in these provinces, you would already be making a good amount of florins every year. The real potential of Egyptian wealth is in trade, however. Once you have your boats running around the Med calling at every port, your treasury will skyrocket. I've managed to pull down over 10,000 florins a year from Antioch alone, and both Egypt & Tripoli possess similar earning potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martok
    If you're asking about the Egyptians, then I can tell you that they start with three of the wealthiest provinces in the entire game -- Antioch, Tripoli, and Egypt itself. (Palestine gets decent income as well, although it lacks trade goods).

    Even if all you did was build the farm upgrades in these provinces, you would already be making a good amount of florins every year. The real potential of Egyptian wealth is in trade, however. Once you have your boats running around the Med calling at every port, your treasury will skyrocket. I've managed to pull down over 10,000 florins a year from Antioch alone, and both Egypt & Tripoli possess similar earning potential.
    That's amazing...(regarding 10k florins per year in Antioch)

    I'll definitely be commanding Egyptian forces next

    That really is my style: Naval/Mercantile empires first, and then build the ridiculous army off of it's income/power. The key balance I try to strike is while still in Naval/Merc/Government mode, still building the capabilities to pump top quality ground forces out whenever necessary. I just don't hold the standing army up and instead try to squeeze and maximize every penny, while still building in every province, every turn.

    Right now I'm at 1106 in my Italian campaign and I'm already dominating the central and eastern Med...working on the western med now.

    Which brings me to a question, but I'll save it for it's own thread since I haven't seen anything about it...

    Added W/ Edit: Oh- btw...pertaining to the Egyptian province discussion: How difficult can I expect it to be to subdue the population and get it to be a loyal tax paying group when I'm taking these same provinces (tripoli, antioch, etc) as the Italians? ...I believe that militarily I could take some of these lands quite soon...
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    Well, the Eggies are Muslims, the Italians Catholics - the religion of the provinces you conquer will be different to yours, causing public loyalty issues. Then, you also want to be careful not to give any titles of those provinces to high Piety generals, as it will make things worse. When the religion of a province is different to yours, and is also at a very high percentage, you want governors with high Dread and low (or no) Piety. Also make sure you garrison the provinces sufficiently to prevent any revolts and to defend against re-offenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtistofWarfare
    Added W/ Edit: Oh- btw...pertaining to the Egyptian province discussion: How difficult can I expect it to be to subdue the population and get it to be a loyal tax paying group when I'm taking these same provinces (tripoli, antioch, etc) as the Italians? ...I believe that militarily I could take some of these lands quite soon...
    As Kaidonni said, make sure to appoint governors with high dread and/or low piety; that alone will make things eaiser for you. IIRC, I didn't need huge garrisons in my Holy Land provinces, although I did still station about 400-500 men in each, at least at first.

    Your bigger worry, however, probably isn't rebellions -- it's dealing with the inevitable Egyptian reprisals. If you Crusade to the Holy Land, be prepared to fend off mulitple counterattacks by huge armies, as the Sultan will almost surely attempt to retake what he lost from you. Fortunately, the Eggies don't usually attack with troops of the highest quality, which will help somewhat. You still shouldn't get cocky, though, as they can bury you just under the sheer mass of men they can bring to bear against your brave Crusaders. Be prepared to reinforce them often!
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    Thanks guys...

    Dread > Piety when it comes to this...I got it.

    As said, it's 1106...A crusade or simply an invasion into the Holy Lands is not too far off.

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    Folks, as I trust you all to be completely impartial in all things Totalwar...

    ...is it worth checking out MTW2?? TBH i'm still loving MTW VI, and haven't dipped a toe into XL yet, and, there seems to be a lot of negativity surrounding its successor. I'd rather live in ignorant bliss than suffer an anticlimax.

    Still got an Eggy campaign to be getting on with, so, down with the Catholic oppressors!

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