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    Orthodox Christian forever! Member phoenix[illusion]'s Avatar
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    Default Order of the Dragon

    What do you think about that? To make it like guild

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix[illusion]
    What do you think about that? To make it like guild
    Like hospitaller or templar knights in vanilla... that would be nice.

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    Default Re: Order of the Dragon

    I like the idea.I would really like to see Order of the Dragon in the game.But,which factions should have the guild? Serbia and Hungary or?

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    im not certain that order actually had its own units. order certainly had some powerful individual members among high nobility, but i newer read that they actually equipped and sent a whole unit into battle. if im wrong correct me.
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    Default Re: Order of the Dragon

    Yes,You are right.They didn't have own units like Teutonic Order or Knights of Saint John.Order numbered 24 selected nobles.Serbia,Hungary and maybe Wallachia should have the guild.That's my suggestion.

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    YES, that would make me very happy. Plese read this text (serbo-croatian) and PLEASE make a guild-ORDER OF THE DRAGON


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    William Wallace a member of the order of the dragon ha ha ha ha. this is too much... cant anyone see that pictures of him with that helmet are from much later period.

    well we can have order of the dragon troops in game as long as we write in the unit description that this is not historically accurate, or even better it can be optional download for the mod (im personally going to disable them in my campaign).

    and please no dragon-helmet in this mod !!

    but this brings some ethic questions. if we decide to ignore historical realism this time, we will be tempted to do that again (for some other cool unit). i dont want this to turn into fantasy mod.
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    I agree with Matko. Order never had their own units so including them would be unhistorical. So, no order of the dragon units.

    I think they should be included as a guild, and generals and family members could get some traits and retinue from them, like bonus against muslim, higher piety and similar stuff...

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    Agree with Sarmatian. a nice "order of the dragon" trait would do. and membership in order should raise character influence. maybe there should even be "master of the order of the dragon" trait that would improve influence even more.
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    Ha ha ha ha(It's not nice Matko) . O my God what is on top of his helmet is it a bird? Is it a plane IT IS A SUPERMAN. But you guys do whatever is best for the mod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzar_Dushan
    Ha ha ha ha(It's not nice Matko) . O my God what is on top of his helmet is it a bird? Is it a plane IT IS A SUPERMAN. But you guys do whatever is best for the mod.

    these are NOT paintings that originate from the period WW lived !
    if you know anything about history of arts than you will see that these paintings are not from middle ages at all. so they could not be considered as a relevant sources.
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    So, you think that artists who draw this, put dragon on helmet just for fun. OK, you must be right I am a bit dumb

    Like I said phoenix[illusion] and Sarmatian will decide what is best for mod. I don't like to argue with nobody. It's OK lets have fun
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    Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at that time.
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    (current) 08:00, 4 August 2005 AndreasPraefcke 471×521 59 KB William Wallace (engraving of the late 17th or 18th century) Source: http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/cph.3c20690 {{PD-art}}

    this is what says under the picture on wiki page. picture was drawn by a German author few hundred years after ww has died. the author probably
    never ever wisted Scotland.
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    I prove my point, it's up to you do you want to belive or not. This should be end of story about WW






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    I'm sorry but i'm not going to buy that. if william wallace was part of the order of the dragon then i'm the king of jerusalem!
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    Default Re: Order of the Dragon

    Quote Originally Posted by matko
    Agree with Sarmatian. a nice "order of the dragon" trait would do. and membership in order should raise character influence. maybe there should even be "master of the order of the dragon" trait that would improve influence even more.
    I agree. A "order of the dragon" trait would be a nice touch.
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    OK, than make it at least as a nice "order of the dragon" trait
    bonus for:command, influence, piety


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzar_Dushan

    OK, than make it at least as a nice "order of the dragon" trait
    bonus for:command, influence, piety
    And NOT available to Scotland!
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    I'm in favor of making it a trait

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vazul's Ghost
    And NOT available to Scotland!

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    Default Re: Order of the Dragon

    Here is an idea of how the trait would look like in the game. Any suggestions will be welcome.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ave_Serbia
    Here is an idea of how the trait would look like in the game. Any suggestions will be welcome.



    This looks very impressive Ave,I like it a lot

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    Default Re: Order of the Dragon

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

    The medallion shaped symbol of the order.
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    IMG]https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/chellenum1/Dragon_order.jpg[/IMG]
    Војници!...Јунаци!...Врховна команда избрисала је наш пук из свог бројног стања...Ви немате више да се бринете за своје животе који више не постоје...Зато напред у славу!...За Kраља и Отаџбину!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladi_86
    This looks very impressive Ave,I like it a lot
    Thanks bro.
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    The medallion shaped symbol of the order.

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    If team decide to make it as a trait, should have picture like this

    For their symbol, the Order designed an insignia of a dragon with its tail coiled around its neck; on the back of the dragon, from the base of the neck to the tail, is the Red Cross of Saint George, with the entire image on an argent field. The dragon represented The Scarlet Beast of the Book of Revelation while the red cross represented the victory of Christ over the forces of evil. Members were required to wear the symbol (often as a medallion) at all times and were often buried with the symbol.
    Last edited by Tsar; 09-29-2007 at 00:54.


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    Nice work Ave_Serbia. Something like that will probably be in the mod...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian
    Nice work Ave_Serbia. Something like that will probably be in the mod...
    Thanks bro,but it was 5 minutes of work really. The font is wrong,the colors are not the same and the pictures are not worked on, this was only a mere idea.
    Војници!...Јунаци!...Врховна команда избрисала је наш пук из свог бројног стања...Ви немате више да се бринете за своје животе који више не постоје...Зато напред у славу!...За Kраља и Отаџбину!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ave_Serbia
    Thanks bro,but it was 5 minutes of work really. The font is wrong,the colors are not the same and the pictures are not worked on, this was only a mere idea.
    I was talking about characteristics. Like bonus against muslim and higher piety and authority. That's the idea...

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    Default Re: Order of the Dragon

    I have an idea, we could add dragon on the one of experience unit banners.

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