The proper way to get tazed...

[Devastatin Dave]

LOL!!!
This is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Here's a move-on, Daily Kos type kooks at a John Kerry "open forum" when he takes over a mic and won't shutup.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4...elated&search=
Here is he is somewhat afterwards...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ec_1190097717&p=1
I'll give Kommie Kerry credit herre, he said that he was going to ask his lib nut buddy's question or multitude of nutty questions. I've noticed a bit of a trend where these left to center youngsters tend to not know proper questions and behaviour in these situations. Is this normal?

Man, what a whiney little . "The government's going to kill me!!!" This guy is better than the Britney Spears alternate lifestyle dude... LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!

Now to the discussion. There is so much to discuss and I can't wait to hear your opinions.

[CrossLOPER]

Yeah, he acted like a alright.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The police were to quick with physical restraint, and like just about all police, to quick with the tazer.

Asking stupid questions shouldn't get you tasered.

Crazed Rabbit

[Ice]

The police were to quick with physical restraint, and like just about all police, to quick with the tazer.

Asking stupid questions shouldn't get you tasered.

Crazed Rabbit

No, but acting like a and not listening to the campus security when they tell you to will get you tazered. They even told him to lay on his back or they were going to tazar him.

This kid is just an attention .

[RoadKill]

I thought the US were democratic? And they dont even allow free speech?
Is it just me or am I just disgusted about this.

[Boyar Son]

Well sometimes protesters like these gets boring.

I doubt anybody actualy will remember what this moron said.

[Ice]

I thought the US were democratic? And they dont even allow free speech?
Is it just me or am I just disgusted about this.

What do you mean?

The guy was allowed to talk (which isn't shown in the YouTube clip), but he wouldn't step down when his time expired and he was asked nicely.

[Lemur]

And they dont even allow free speech?

You're allowed plenty of free speech in the U.S.A. But when a police officer asks you to put your hands behind your back, you put your hands behind your back. Complying with the lawful demands of a policeman is expected.

That said, they played right into this little strumpet's hands when they tazered him. " 'Elp, 'elp, I'm being repressed! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!"

[Goofball]

I'm with you on this one CR.

The taser was completely unnecessary.

All this kid did was ask some questions at an open political forum. Questions that Kerry even was willing to answer (he was heard saying something to the effect of "No, it's okay, I'll answer his question").

And for that he was held down by six police officers and tortured.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That's pretty funny.

The security guards need to be able to escort someone who is acting disorderly out of the building. Tazers are entirely acceptable at the point they were used.

[RoadKill]

Exactly, the kid wanted his question answered. Then he should have well damn answered it. I don't know if I'm just in a bad mood, but the tazing a kid part was just totally unecessary. The police was treating that citizen as if he was a criminal, like seriously tazing a freak'n kid because he wouldn't get off the stage? Like come on.

[Ice]

And for that he was held down by six police officers and tortured.

Oh, this gets a big

Tortured? The only reason that happened was because the kid was acting like a moron and screaming while resisting arrest (I don't even think they were arresting him) to get attention.

I hardly consider a tazer torture.

[RoadKill]

Trust me, tazing hurts more then you think.

[Boyar Son]

hm, after thinking about it,

this guy asked questions, not scream out "liar" like other fools do. I agree that the police shouldnt have arrested him, for asking his questions.

[Ronin]

what?...and the police officer didn´t pull out his .44 magnum and blow 2 large holes in the suspect while asking him if he´ll make his day?

tasers!!!..pfff.....limp-wristed commy-pansy campus police

[Goofball]

Oh, this gets a big

Tortured? The only reason that happened was because the kid was acting like a moron and screaming while resisting arrest (I don't even think they were arresting him) to get attention.

I hardly consider a tazer torture.

Sorry, what would you call being held down and having 50,000 volts of electricity passed through your body?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm with you on this one CR.

The taser was completely unnecessary.

All this kid did was ask some questions at an open political forum. Questions that Kerry even was willing to answer (he was heard saying something to the effect of "No, it's okay, I'll answer his question").

No he wasn't. He was ranting and disturbing the meeting. Town hall meetings are useless if you allow anyone to stand up and going on long tirades.

And for that he was held down by six police officers and tortured.

The held him down for about a minute before tazing him and warned him that they were going to taze him if he didn't leave the building. Getting tazered was entirely his own choice. He refused to leave before hand.

I can't believe people are taking his side on this one...lots of colleges have crazy political groups that will try and disturb meetings...he probably planned on being thrown out and making a scene.

edit: watched the video with the full speech of his: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TIYTJ75U...elated&search=

[Ice]

Sorry, what would you call being held down and having 50,000 volts of electricity passed through your body?

A electrical shock from a tazer?

[Papewaio]

If the guy has mental issues or making a joke... isn't that an overuse of force?

Surely if all he's done is ask questions beyond his time limit that is not a reason to arrest someone.

Neither free nor brave, particularly the muppets watching on like sheep. I would not be proud to be associated with that lot.

Things like this show a paradox:
The passivity with which some of you guys expect to obey authority ...
While at the same time having a constitution that says 'Guys be armed so that you can tell authority where to shove it'.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I thought the US were democratic? And they dont even allow free speech?
Is it just me or am I just disgusted about this.

Everybody has a right to speak at the meetings...that's the point, this guy kept yelling and asking questions, he was preventing other people from speaking. He's the least democratic person there.

He didn't even want to let Kerry answer his questions.

Surely if all he's done is ask questions beyond his time limit that is not a reason to arrest someone.

He wasn't arrested for that. The grabbed his arms to pull him out and he started yelling about being arrested. He was arrested for the giant scene he created afterwards.

[Boyar Son]

I dont think he interupted. Did he?

[RoadKill]

Exactly what my point is, if wasn't going towards the election dude and pointing a knife at him, do you seriously need freak'n 5 officers ontop of him, screaming at him, hurting him, and even result to tazing. Arresting someone because he refused to leave without his question being answered. I thought the US would do anything, like sacraficing lives to find freedom, while they can't even complete such a simple task in their own soceity.

I'm not flaming Americans here, but like thats just disturbing.

[Papewaio]

He wasn't arrested for that. The grabbed his arms to pull him out and he started yelling about being arrested. He was arrested for the giant scene he created afterwards.

Isn't touching someone without their consent assault?

Surely assault is a bit harsh for someone asking questions?

Surely free speech should be protected?

If they guy had physically stopped another person from using the mike, pushed them away or made threats then I can see cops stepping in.

I think it is overzealous if the guy is asking more questions (be they conspiracy theory or legit).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If they guy had physically stopped another person from using the mike, pushed them away or made threats then I can see cops stepping in.

I think it is overzealous if the guy is asking more questions (be they conspiracy theory or legit).

I was just at a conference where John Kerry was the speaker. During the Q&A section, a hyperactive young man grabbed the microphone while someone else was asking a question, proclaiming that he would like to ask a question. The leader of the conference just announced 5 minutes before that the current person asking a question was to be the last person to ask a question. The hyperactive young man was being forced by the police to leave the building. During this dramatized event, John Kerry said to the security to let him ask the question, but first let him finish with the current one being asked. The police respected John Kerry’s request but stood very closely to the young man.

From a firsthand account on facebook.

Isn't touching someone without their consent assault?

No...

Exactly what my point is, if wasn't going towards the election dude and pointing a knife at him, do you seriously need freak'n 5 officers ontop of him, screaming at him, hurting him, and even result to tazing. Arresting someone because he refused to leave without his question being answered. I thought the US would do anything, like sacraficing lives to find freedom, while they can't even complete such a simple task in their own soceity.

I'm not flaming Americans here, but like thats just disturbing.

How do you know he didn't have a knife? Police are trained to do that for a reason.

[Devastatin Dave]

Sorry, what would you call being held down and having 50,000 volts of electricity passed through your body?

My usual Friday night at the local truck stop...

[RoadKill]

Sasaki, touching anyone without permission, is considered assult. It is only not considered assult if the person has commited some type of illegal crime, and then the police are allowed to do it.

If taking a mic as you say, caused him to be arrested and tazed, then wow, he would probally be shot if he actually stole something. ( I unno about the US, but I'm pretty sure the cops arn't allowed to randomly shoot people, or even taze them in Canada)

[Xiahou]

I'm leaning towards the "he got what he deserved" camp on this one. The kid was an attention whore and he ignored repeated requests to leave and continued to resist and struggle when they tried to make him leave forcibly. I don't feel any sympathy towards him.

On the other hand, police in general seem a bit quick to use "non-lethal" weapons whenever someone resists arrest, imo. Yeah, he was struggling and making a scene, but he wasn't posing a threat to anyone- was the tazer absolutely necessary, or just more convenient?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki, touching anyone without permission, is considered assult. It is only not considered assult if the person has commited some type of illegal crime, and then the police are allowed to do it.

If taking a mic as you say, caused him to be arrested and tazed, then wow, he would probally be shot if he actually stole something. ( I unno about the US, but I'm pretty sure the cops arn't allowed to randomly shoot people, or even taze them in Canada)

This is simply not true. Touching someone without permission is in no way assault. Violence or intent to harm is required. I can't believe two people have said this. Do the police and bouncers where your from use jedi mind tricks to get people to leave? Hypnosis maybe?

One of the many videos circulating of a University of Florida student being Tasered by police was shot with the student's own camera.
Continue to 2nd paragraph

Clarissa Jessup, who was standing near Adam Meyer just before UF Police took him into custody during U.S. Sen. John Kerry's speech at UF, said Meyer asked her to film him asking Kerry a question just before he approached the microphone.

Funny.

On the other hand, police in general seem a bit quick to use "non-lethal" weapons whenever someone resists arrest, imo. Yeah, he was struggling and making a scene, but he wasn't posing a threat to anyone- was the tazer absolutely necessary, or just more convenient?

Not entirely sure here, but the point of tazering is to prevent injury to both officers and the person being arrested...bodily carrying him out may have resulted in both pain and injury.

[Crazed Rabbit]

What reason did the police have to use force to remove him from the building?

I'm talking about when they grabbed him and started hauling him out after he stopped talking. How was that called for? They were to quick to use force. Now, resisting any normal person who's dragging you about is normal. But if you do such a thing to police who have don't have a good reason suddenly you're a criminal.

Yeah, he was struggling and making a scene, but he wasn't posing a threat to anyone- was the tazer absolutely necessary, or just more convenient?

Exactly. It was a convenience thing - make him feel lots of pain until he complies.

The thing is, the police can use force against you when it isn't warranted, but if you should resist -even nonviolently- then suddenly the police get the nod to use even more force against you.

Yeah, he was loud - so what?

Things like this show a paradox:
The passivity with which some of you guys expect to obey authority ...
While at the same time having a constitution that says 'Guys be armed so that you can tell authority where to shove it'.

Sadly, many Americans choose false security over freedom.

I hardly consider a tazer torture.

Yet something makes me think using tasers against POWs would be forbidden.

CR

[Husar]

I agree with CR and Goofball.

Yes, he should have stepped down though maybe not if Kerry wanted to answer his questions anyway.

No, he shouldn't have behaved as silly as that.

But no, the police shouldn't have tazered him either, looks like a typical case of police not using their "non-lethal weapons" correctly. There were five or six policemen around him and he wasn't even able to resist one or two of them so using a tazer was completely superfluous and just added to their comfort and their feeling of superiority.

They should have restrained him and carried him away, or just let Kerry answer his questions in the first place and resolved the whole thing without a tazer.