Typical land battle

[Ozzman1O1]

have you heard about the thin red lin when 80 british and french soldiers made a russian cavalry charge of 2000 falter!

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[Sheogorath]

have you heard about the thin red lin when 80 british and french soldiers made a russian cavalry charge of 2000 falter!

You mean the Thin Red Line, where 2200 elite British troops against 400 Cossacks?

[Ozzman1O1]

i think i meant the charge of the light brigade actualy

[hoom]

Have you ever heard that of the 673 who started the charge, only 118 were killed & a further 127 wounded?

That means 428 survived the charge up the Valley of Death, the battle (heavily outnumbered) at the battery at the head of the valley & the withdrawal back down the valley.
Albeit they lost at least 478 horses, with only 195 soldiers still having horses after regrouping.

[Sheogorath]

-Ozzman
Thats odd, 'cause you SAID thin red line >_>
The Charge of the Light Brigade was seven hundred British cavalry and some French cavalry against an unknown number of Russian gunners.
If you want a REAL 'against-all-odds' situation, try the Siege of Petropavlovsk.


-hoom
Doing the math, thats %36 casualties, which is actually pretty heavy. And they were, mostly, fighting against gun crews once they got into the melee, there were some Cossacks, but Cossacks dont do well against organized and trained troops.
I believe the standard for most Western armies to withdraw from battle is about %10-15, which is considered 'medium' in the scale of casualties. One reason the Japanese freaked people out so much in WWII was that they would take as much as %30-40 casualties before they withdrew to regroup. That was not in-line with most nations tactics at the time.

[Lord Winter]

have you even heard about the battle of balaclava!?destroyer of hope!

Yes but that was into a fortified postion and into a nice little cross fire. It was also 30 years pass out timeline.

The fact is you didn't see frontal calvary charges or the orgianal thrust made by calvery in most battles (not counting flanking movements). They were still a fomabiable force on the battle field but they wern't the heavy "Knights" of the medivl period.

[hoom]

thats %36 casualties, which is actually pretty heavy

Yes but point being that Ozman raised the Light Brigade charge as firepower beating cavalry.

They charged into a fortified position with artilliery & riflemen shooting at them from 3 sides, probably about as good advantage as possible for the guns.

Aside from the guncrews & some infantry, they cut their way through 5000 odd enemy cavalry & still weren't stopped.

[S.Selim_1]

i'm not tryin 2 be negative but muskets, cavalry and spear men and surely artillery...it sounds intresting but does it sound fun?! i hope CA work it out to make it fun coz i luv the idea of age of empire III too

[Ozzman1O1]

The tw games are not all about watching cool battles,its about making an empire and conquering the world...i just auto resolve my battles these days....

[S.Selim_1]

loooooooooooooooool...yeah it is an intresting game..i wonder y they keep "upgrading" the game every year.....somehow this game have fans

[HarunTaiwan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tercio will be included.

[Freedom Onanist]

-Ozzman
Thats odd, 'cause you SAID thin red line >_>
The Charge of the Light Brigade was seven hundred British cavalry and some French cavalry against an unknown number of Russian gunners.
If you want a REAL 'against-all-odds' situation, try the Siege of Petropavlovsk.

Whatis your point? What is so against the odds there? On the one hand you have wooden ships at sea, on the other prepared shore batteries? Hmm...

+rep to fenir

[Sheogorath]

Whatis your point? What is so against the odds there? On the one hand you have wooden ships at sea, on the other prepared shore batteries? Hmm...

+rep to fenir

Uh, lessee...

-The siege started on 18 August 1854, when an Allied squadron of three British and French frigates, one corvette, one brig and one steamship cast anchor in the Avacha Bay.

-They had some 218 cannons at its disposal, as compared to 67 cannons available to the defenders of Kamchatka's main city under Vasily Zavoyko.

-Petropavlovsk was lightly defended, with just over 1,000 troops, including the crews of the vessels sheltering in its harbour

- Naval Brigade of around 700 British and French seamen and marines landed on 4 September, under Captains Burridge and de La Grandiere, but they were ambushed and, after some heavy fighting, retreated with 107 British and 101 French dead. On 24 August, 970 aggressors landed west of Petropavlovsk, but were repelled by 360 Russians.

-The Allies left Petropavlovsk to the Russians until April 1855, when Nikolay Muravyov, aware of the insufficiency of troops and weapons to repel another attack on the city, had Petropavlovsk garrison evacuated under the cover of snow.

So they held off a superior force of troops for over a year, and you say thats not as good as an elite unit of British riflemen taking down a smaller force of Cossack cavalry?

[S.Selim_1]

to name some..mamlukes and the dragoons were mounted gunners and they were sooooooo important and feared in one way or another...think about it they are fast moving gunns. even muskets will have a hard time hitting these guys while they are movin...weather against muskets or other cav they had an important role... at least in the battle of the pyramids "Napoleon realized that the only Egyptian troops of any worth on the battlefield were the cavalry" -wikipedia.
it is not mentioned they had some kind of a gunpowder weapon in their hands..but mamlukes in the early 19 century surely had some kind of a musket to fight the ottomans and the french

[Ozzman1O1]

just read abaout the battle of balaclava please in wiki and you will see

[Ozzman1O1]

(is every body here a nerd or just smart because there teens?im only 10)

[Noir]

(is every body here a nerd or just smart because there teens?im only 10)

I am afraid that we are the worst kind here Ozzman101: nerds in their teens (or above)

[Stuperman]

I imagine that a typical land battle will involve lining your men up against the edge of the battle map, and then waiting for the enemy to come into range, almost as exciting as watching paint dry.

[Ozzman1O1]

you know that there will be bayonet melee combat right,it wont be all guns...

[Frederick the Great]

As I understand 18th Century(that's 1700's for some people)major battles started with a artillery duel to soften the enemy up.Infantry formed the centre usually with cavalry on the flanks.Infantry battalions were formed up in a line formation about four ranks deep thus making the maximum use of volley fire.These battalions would be shoulder to shoulder forming a vast line and some even had artillery attached using small 3pdrs or howitzers.
Few battles were encounters between two armies and so with the use of cavalry as scouts,one army would defend making use of terrain while the other attacked making use of weaknesses in the defender's line or out manoeuvring him.
Infantry tactics were usually to close within musket range and blast away at the enemy infantry and those with the better moral and discipline standing while the others falted and routed.If this didn't work then a bayonet charge was enough to see them off.
Cavalry usually stayed well clear of infantry because of the devasting volley fire and don't forget at the start of the century some infantry were still using pikes in small numbers.Cavalry tended to concentrate on the enemy cavalry or exploited gaps,flanks and rears of the enemy.They were also used for scouting and breaking lines of supply.If cavalry did charge infantry frontally then it would have to be timed perfectly with devastating effect as the infantry square was not used until later in the Napoleonic period.
Light infantry (skirmishers) were becoming better trained and more tactical using gorilla warfare and picking off officer's and N.C.O.'s and harassing line infantry formation's e.g. American militia with their long barreled musket's during the American Revoltion.
Fog of war or battlefield visability would be at a minimum once the battle got under way because of the cloud's of smoke caused by firing gunpower weapon's.