Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
Precisely. In countries where whether there is socialism is the least of the people's worries.
Bah. There's Maoism and Marxist-leninism.

Marx held the idea that workers should own the factory where they work themselves. Lenin decided that the state should own the factory, and the unions and workers should be happy about it.

You get the same in a leninist state that you have in a brutal capitalist state. I'm not promoting marxist-leninism, I'm promoting socialism. Reformist socialism, if you will. And that's not present in either China, Burma or Thailand.