Which are better? Makedonia or KH?

[Xehh II]

KH!

[Respenus]

I didn't expect such a KH response. Yes, they are more challenging, considering that in the beginning they are "limited" and it's hard to expend (I tried fooling around with KH before going to Romani).

Let's wait for some Makedonian lovers

[Bootsiuv]

Personally, I think Maks have a more challenging opening position than the KH. Being at war with KH, Epeirotes, and Getai right from the start make things tough for the Mak player on the first few turns. Having Phyrrus and his son right on Pella's doorstep and Korinthos rather vulnerable makes the Maks starting positions one of the most intense, challenging, and, therefore, fun, in EB.

That's just my humble opinion, of course.

[Lysander13]

In terms of unit roster and potential armies it could put in the field i would definately say the Maks. I enjoy both campaigns and would probably say from the beginning the Maks are in a tighter spot than the KH but both campaigns are alot fun.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Go Makedonia!

Makedonia has a much more challenging starting position than KH in my opinion. They have a fantastic unit roster, Hetairoi, Thessalian Cavalry, Thraikian Cavalry (best "medium" jack-of-all-trades cavalry ever), very good phalanx, Hypaspistai and Pheraspidai, and access to all kinds of fantastic native troops like Agrianians, Galatians, Syrian & Cretan archers, etc. etc. KH have just their Spartans and all kind of Hoplites, a bit limited roster. Makedonia can get Hoplites too btw.

Makedonia is a very good faction if you want to run a great empire.

[gran_guitarra]

The Makedonians have possibly the most complete unit roster, excepting the Seleukids.

Overall I would say that the best unit roster goes to the Seleukids, followed by the Makedonians, the Romans, Carthaginians, and then either Baktria or the Aedui.


The Makedonian pikemen are superior to the Koinon Hellenon (and indeed nearly all) "pikemen". Their Cavarly is also superior to the Koinon Hellenon one. The best Makedonian Factional Cavalry is faaaaaaaaar superior to the best Koinon Hellenon Factional Cavalry. The Koinon Hellenon elites and Heavy Spearmen (Spartiatai and Thorakitai) are a little better than the Makedonian ones (Spartiatai have 1 attack/defense more than Hypaspitai), though the debate of Thorakitai vs Pheraspidai is quite open. (Personally I prefer Pheraspidai as an assault unit).

In terms of Regionals the Makedonians again have the upper hand. They have all the same as the Koinon Hellenon, but with the addition of Taxeis Triballoi and Italian units. I think that their recruitment in Galatia might be superior, and the Makedonians do not need to build regional MICs to get the Thraikians, as far as I've been told.

[jhhowell]

The best Makedonian Factional Cavalry is faaaaaaaaar superior to the best Koinon Hellenon Factional Cavalry.

Note, though, that since the AI very rarely builds cavalry the player will have decisive cavalry superiority no matter which faction you pick. In the specific case of KH/Macedon/Epirus, I'd also expect the player's faction to wipe out or neuter both opponents pretty early, so the first enemies where the overall strength of the entire unit roster would matter will likely be Rome and AS.

Anyway, my answer to the title question would be "yes". Just pick whichever one seems most fun, and that faction is "better" for you.

[MiniMe]

The Makedonians have possibly the most complete unit roster...

Please, let me be your opponent =)

The Makedonian pikemen are superior to the Koinon Hellenon (and indeed nearly all) "pikemen".

IMO, longpike phalanx are a neccesity in one case only - when you're fighting longpike phalanx. No other unit is going to wait for your phalanx frontal attack, opponent'd simply outflank them. In fact, phalanx are very vulnerable, since this unit is the slowest infantry at all. In my Epeiros campaign I was forced to abandon my Pezhetairoi and switch to Samnitici swordsmen & Illirioi Thorakitai when fighting Romani and Karthadastim flexible infantry formations.

Their Cavarly is also superior to the Koinon Hellenon one. The best Makedonian Factional Cavalry is faaaaaaaaar superior to the best Koinon Hellenon Factional Cavalry.

However, KH Hippeis Xystophoroi have far greater AOR than Makedonia Hetaroi, and require level 4 MIC only. For me this is a very serious advantage.

The Koinon Hellenon elites and Heavy Spearmen (Spartiatai and Thorakitai) are a little better than the Makedonian ones (Spartiatai have 1 attack/defense more than Hypaspitai), though the debate of Thorakitai vs Pheraspidai is quite open. (Personally I prefer Pheraspidai as an assault unit).

Thorakitai are more than just assault unit, they are one of the most perfect EB units ever - universal heavy infantry able to stand against anything, be it heavy cavalry or good swordsmen or whatever. And you can recruit them allmost everywhere in hellenistic world. Thorakitai misuse is the greatest Makedon disadvantage IMO.

On the other hand, Makedons can recruit Agrianikoi Pelekephoi. Now that's a fantastic assault infantry, far better than Spartiatai/Pheraspidai, they've BIG CHOPPERS and they can CHOP through anything =)

In terms of Regionals the Makedonians again have the upper hand. They have all the same as the Koinon Hellenon, but with the addition of Taxeis Triballoi and Italian units. I think that their recruitment in Galatia might be superior, and the Makedonians do not need to build regional MICs to get the Thraikians, as far as I've been told.

True for east and wrong for the west, where KH can recruit Hippeis Tarentinoi and Hoplitae Massiliotae.

One more point: classic hoplites. This is a very good level 3 unit, unfortunately Makedon have to build regional MICs to get them and this means 18 more turns and 11400 Mnai.

Best regards
MiniMe