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    Default Re: Which are better? Makedonia or KH?

    Quote Originally Posted by gran_guitarra
    Which is why you put untis like Agrianikoi Pelekephoi and Pheraspidai/Hypaspitai on the flanks just behind your phalanx. They cannot flank you because they risk being surrounded by your units, so they have to either take those casualties and hope they break your phalanx before your Assault units break them, or fight you from the front.
    If we are talking multiplayer; yes I suppose so. But against the AI it's a perfect waste of money to use your valuable elites/agrianikoi on the flanks. That's what you've got your Thorakitai/Thureophoroi for. Especially when you are facing a missile based army you will suffer if you chose Agrianikoi instead.

    And Makedonia can recruit Hippies Thessalikoi from a level 4 MIC, which are vastly superior to Hyppeis Xystophoroi. So even at the same MIC level my cavalry is superior, and at the last MIC level it is infinitely superior.
    So can the KH. So that renders this null and void, IMHO. And IIRC there is only one successor state which has even a somewhat decent AOR for Hetairoi: the AS. (Only 5 settlements on the entire map.)

    Well there is the problem that Thorakitai, for all their vaunted power, cannot stand up to Hypaspitai, Pheraspidai, or Argianikoi Pelekephoi. If I put them on my flanks that means that you have no real choice but to fight my phalanxes head on. If you don't I just wheel my phalanxes and crunch you between them and the assaulters on my flanks. Taxeis Triballoi are also as good, as Thorakitai, and just slightly cheaper. Though you do have to build a lvl 4 regional MIC.
    Yes but, no, , depends.

    Yes, but: Thorakitai can not stand against your beloved ELITES; so, what? That's not quite what they're made for apart from the fact that such troops at the flanks mean you are unable to field many armies at the same time. Hypaspistai and Pheraspidai are not your every day soldiers on the flanks.

    No: there are many all relatively easy ways to force you to disrupt formation. Especially sphendonetai are quite good at killing your elite units. And if you are using Agrianikoi on the flanks in such an occasion, chances are they will contain more lead after the battle than if they were shot with a machine gun.

    Also: consider the Thorakitai Hoplitai. Those are some nasty breed, of just about the same quality as Hypaspistai/Pheraspidai.

    Depends: as said before your Taxeis Triballoi will have to be shipped from a handful of regions each and every time; Thorakitai have a far wider AOR. In effect the Thorakitai will cost less to get them to the field; and against the typical AI flanking troops (cavalry) they will perform better.

    Yeah, but why would I want to get them when I can have Agrianikoi Pelekephoi from my factional MIC? Correct me if I am wrong, but those guys are faaaaaaaaaaar superior to the Hoplites thanks to their mobility, speed, javelins, and axes (which are effective against armor). So what if you get Hoplitai? I get something better, and I believe that they are at the same level MIC.
    Massaliotai are a cross over between Celtic & Hellenistic influences. Do not underestimate their skill with their swords. Also, heavy skirmisher cavalry is not something to brush aside easily either: they are the single most effective cavalry against the inevitable hordes of rebels you will encounter; and they have many nasty surprises in store for any foe. You just need to become familiar with them; but if you can use Hippakontistai to such an effect that they can break the (rebel) enemy - Tarantinoi will be a truly formidable cavalry indeed.
    Last edited by Tellos Athenaios; 10-02-2007 at 00:05.
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