Principate or Republic?

**Remco** · 10-04-2007, 18:48

Will it be possible in future EB versions to choose if the Roman empire is going to be a republic or principate? If so, what are the consequences?

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 10-04-2007, 18:50

When you get to the point of the Augustan Reforms and have an appropriate guy, you can choose whether or not you want him to overthrow the Republic...

**Remco** · 10-04-2007, 18:59

Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus

When you get to the point of the Augustan Reforms and have an appropriate guy, you can choose whether or not you want him to overthrow the Republic...

But then I never get the imperial legions who can be recruited in all provinces.

Wouldn't it be possible, if a republic is chosen, to place a building in Rome which represents the senate. Ofcourse this building would have to cost a lot of money (eacht turn) to represent the inefficiency of a republic.

The advantage is that one then can have the good things of the principate without it's moral burden. You know, dictatorship.

**Horst Nordfink** · 10-04-2007, 19:17

I would prefer to keep it a Republic. The Republic is far more interesting, especially between Marius/Sulla and Octavian (who ruined it all), than the Principate.

Although Bootsiuv is correct, I have never even got near the Augustan Reforms. It's far too boring after a while, it just gets too easy.

**Bootsiuv** · 10-04-2007, 19:22

Which isn't EB's fault...The Augustan reforms happen at a historically accurate time....It's just the nature of the game, to win or lose, well before turn 800 or whenever those Augustan reforms are....

**Horst Nordfink** · 10-04-2007, 21:22

Indeed! I wasn't inferring it was EBs fault. Maybe I'm just too good?!

**Maeran** · 10-05-2007, 16:56

Originally Posted by horst nordfink

I would prefer to keep it a Republic. The Republic is far more interesting, especially between Marius/Sulla and Octavian (who ruined it all), than the Principate.

Although Bootsiuv is correct, I have never even got near the Augustan Reforms. It's far too boring after a while, it just gets too easy.

The period between Marius/Sulla (well, more the Gracchi brothers a decade earlier) and Octavian was when rich ambitious men controlled private armies, creating the instability that destroyed the Republic. I take it that by interesting you mean bloody.

**Remco** · 10-05-2007, 17:10

I agree the republic had no future as it was. But what if Augustus would have reformed the state. The soldiers should recieve their payment from the senate. The pension and land they get when they retire should also be payed and guaranteed by the senate, not their general. Laws to limit corruption and the effects should also be introduced.

Augustus could have been a second Sulla and hopefully the last. With a republic the roman spirit would have remained intact. It would have a price but might prove to be more stable in the end.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-04-2007, 23:03

Originally Posted by Remco

But then I never get the imperial legions who can be recruited in all provinces.

Wouldn't it be possible, if a republic is chosen, to place a building in Rome which represents the senate. Ofcourse this building would have to cost a lot of money (eacht turn) to represent the inefficiency of a republic.

The advantage is that one then can have the good things of the principate without it's moral burden. You know, dictatorship.

The Imperial army was only possible under the political structures of the Principate. It's existence then perpetuated the autocracy.

The two are symbiotic.

**Megas Methuselah** · 10-05-2007, 03:14

The Imperial army was only possible under the political structures of the Principate. It's existence then perpetuated the autocracy.

The two are symbiotic.

I don't know what he just said, but it's on!

**Bootsiuv** · 10-04-2007, 18:51

The game doesn't really offer governments on a faction wide scale as far as I know.

They could probably make a building which gave faction wide boni, but I don't really see the point.

Maybe for some shits and giggles, but at least we have some form of government representation in EB, which RTW sorely lacked.

**Bootsiuv** · 10-04-2007, 18:53

Well I guess I stand corrected.

Quite frankly, I don't see how anyone can even make it to the augustan reform without first losing interest in the campaign...I can't bring myself to play much after I know I've won....it get's a little boring.