Out of character thread XIV

**TinCow** · 10-08-2007, 14:36

Originally Posted by econ21

Oh and another point - this game is getting dangerous. As we are still on the scripted portion, I am cheating to keep people alive (TinCow and Dutch_guy, you owe me). The AI armies are pretty powerful - check out Becker's predicament - and now that we don't have full stacks that are endlessly replenishable, we are going to be in for, literally, the fight of our lives. I suspect when TinCow takes over in 1320, the gloves will be off, so be careful out there!

What danger was I in? I thought I was nice and safe inside Florence.

**econ21** · 10-08-2007, 14:53

Originally Posted by TinCow

What danger was I in? I thought I was nice and safe inside Florence.

Governors are far from safe inside rioting cities. I had to move Lothar to the fort and Tancred to his boats, as either or both of you kept dying in riots when I hit end turn.

The other thing that caused me to reload was poor Pope Abbate. Sometimes he would call for a crusade on Tunis and require Prinz Peter to join. It would have been cool, but did not really fit our narrative.

**Privateerkev** · 10-08-2007, 15:02

Actually, that is pretty smart of him.

Pope Abbate: "Ah my little Lutheran, I will distract you by demanding that a Holy Crusade be sent to... oh I don't know... um... Africa? Yes, Africa. And I demand that you go lead it. Yes, that is entirely appropriate. A man who probably doesn't even believe in God should lead a Crusade to take an African territory that no one cares about. Get right on it."

**FactionHeir** · 10-08-2007, 15:32

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Actually, that is pretty smart of him.

Pope Abbate: "Ah my little Lutheran, I will distract you by demanding that a Holy Crusade be sent to... oh I don't know... um... Africa? Yes, Africa. And I demand that you go lead it. Yes, that is entirely appropriate. A man who probably doesn't even believe in God should lead a Crusade to take an African territory that no one cares about. Get right on it."

**gibsonsg91921** · 10-08-2007, 16:13

haha what a n00b. good thing he's dead

**Stuperman** · 10-08-2007, 17:45

Retaking Marseille sounds very tempting, but I hit end turn to see what happens with that sicilian fleet threatening my Duchy, and, er, yeah. Just have Fredericus and HAG continue back towards Italy.

**Privateerkev** · 10-08-2007, 17:50

IMHO, your not "supposed" to make IC decisions based on hitting the end turn button.

I guess you can say Fred got some sort of dream of Sicilians coming on a fleet of ships but my point still stands.

just my opinion. as I've stated in earlier posts, i'm not a big fan of meta-gaming.

**FactionHeir** · 10-08-2007, 18:28

Agreed, IC decisions for the character shouldn't be made based on information that cannot be obtained at the turn we are currently at officially.

**Tamur** · 10-08-2007, 18:33

On the other hand, Fritz is currently making decisions based on strongly held convictions and a very incomplete picture of what's happening.

This is based on Fritz' player not having time to load up the game except once a week. I'm not sure I'd suggest this approach either, as it will probably get Fritz killed.

**Privateerkev** · 10-08-2007, 18:39

Originally Posted by Tamur

On the other hand, Fritz is currently making decisions based on strongly held convictions and a very incomplete picture of what's happening.

which is a lot like real life. In life, you try to make the best decision you can with the information you have. And I "try" to RP that. I attempt to make Jan's decision based on what I think "he" knows, as well as balancing in his traits. It's impossible to be perfect with this but I try to come close.

Also, another problem with looking ahead, and using that to decide your IC decisions, is that the game has a bit of randomness thrown in. Many times I have looked ahead to see what marriages and births will happen, and then our official save game does something else.

**Stuperman** · 10-08-2007, 18:45

Given the amount of OOC influence in the game at the moment that is a bit of a hard pill to swallow, but I suppose you guys are right. Fredericus would probably March south on Marseilles, I'll 'officialize' in a couple of hours, I gotta run right now.

**Stuperman** · 10-08-2007, 18:51

I just thought of something, Fred's MP are done for this turn, so it's a moot point, I'll just wait to issue orders at the begenning of next turn.

p.s. wewt! double post.

**Northnovas** · 10-08-2007, 19:17

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Also, another problem with looking ahead, and using that to decide your IC decisions, is that the game has a bit of randomness thrown in. Many times I have looked ahead to see what marriages and births will happen, and then our official save game does something else.

Yes, it does have randomness and I remember going 10-12 turns ahead to see when Meckle would marry to get an Austrian avatar and it was never the same after each new save. It was a long wait.
Also, it is only a game and the enjoyment of the game is honour system. We all are going to go ahead a few turns out of curiosity but never reveal a possible spoiler because that can change too. There were avatars killed by Inquisitors or assassins that never happened in the official game play. Like not revealing a spoiler players would be honourable making decisions on what information they are given. I think that is happening because there have been surprises for everyone.
It is a wonky AI.

**Stig** · 10-08-2007, 19:23

Taking the save

**Stig** · 10-08-2007, 19:47

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1314-4.zip

Also, we got a new Pope, decide me secretely wanting to make him Spanish I choose the German one.
And we've been reconsiled

Also, cheat me some armies to save Ansehelm

Seriously, I need them

Tho these Poles were beaten the way I beat GH yesterday, archers from behind

**econ21** · 10-08-2007, 19:49

Stuperman - I am afraid I've scrapped nearly all fleets as a cost cutting measure. Ajacco will have to sink or swim on its own.

**FactionHeir** · 10-08-2007, 19:49

Don't worry, won't be for long if Dassel has his way

**Privateerkev** · 10-08-2007, 20:01

I'm confused. GH whacked the pope but the thing for choosing the new one came up on Stig's turn?

Edit:

NM, I just realized GH didn't choose anything and let the option "hang". It came up for Stig so he picked it. I need food to make my brain work right... ^_^

**Stuperman** · 10-08-2007, 20:04

I figured Corsica was doomed, meh, I guess I have to go beg my duke for a new county.

**econ21** · 10-08-2007, 20:06

I'm sorry - I did not realise we would get a Papal election at the end of GeneralHankerchief's save. Stig, please can you refight your battle using this save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1314-5.zip

The Spaniards won the election. (We are not getting out the cataclysm so easily.)

**Privateerkev** · 10-08-2007, 20:06

SM: Bavaria does seem to have an abundance of them. I'm sure you won't have too much trouble. ^_^

**Tamur** · 10-08-2007, 20:07

I am afraid I've scrapped nearly all fleets as a cost cutting measure. Ajacco will have to sink or swim on its own.

Given the manner of any fleet's demise, good luck to Ajacco on sinking or swimming.

**FactionHeir** · 10-08-2007, 20:12

The election was not at the end of GH's turn really.
As I posted back then when GH's first incarnation whacked Gregory and the others (and was decried for revealing an "exploit" which it is not), whenever you load a savegame that does not have an elected pope, the game will pop up the election screen allowing you to go through the entire college in 1 turn if you wanted to (whack, save, load, elect, whack...)

**Stig** · 10-08-2007, 20:12

Econ I don't have time to refight

I refight tomorrow

**FactionHeir** · 10-08-2007, 20:14

I wouldn't advocate Stig refighting.
We can continue the cataclysm easily by GH attacking the stacks nearby (which he probably would, or rather the papal units wouldn't take his actions kindly)
This would also result in one less HRE cardinal candidate which is good.

**Privateerkev** · 10-08-2007, 20:15

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

The election was not at the end of GH's turn really.
As I posted back then when GH's first incarnation whacked Gregory and the others (and was decried for revealing an "exploit" which it is not), whenever you load a savegame that does not have an elected pope, the game will pop up the election screen allowing you to go through the entire college in 1 turn if you wanted to (whack, save, load, elect, whack...)

Ah I see. Thanks for explaining that.

Now I need food so I can go back to making regular mistakes instead of hunger induced ones. ^_^

**econ21** · 10-08-2007, 20:33

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I wouldn't advocate Stig refighting.
We can continue the cataclysm easily by GH attacking the stacks nearby (which he probably would, or rather the papal units wouldn't take his actions kindly)

Good thinking. Let's do that. GeneralHankerchief can't get out of Durazzo without battling the Papal stack outside. His fleet is too small, but his army is superior anyway.

Stig - don't worry about refighting.

Battles remaining this turn:

GeneralHankerchief

and

Warmaster Horus

Please use Stig's save, ie:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1314-4.zip

EDIT: for story purposes, let's say we did not get reconciled. (I never realised it was so easy if you have stacked the college of Cardinals).

**GeneralHankerchief** · 10-08-2007, 20:54

Lousy rotten stinkin' Papacy. It's almost as if they had something against me.

I'll take the save once I'm done doing the report for the destruction of Durazzo. Should be up in a couple of hours.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 10-08-2007, 21:50

Battle report up, taking the save.

-edit- NOT going to fight. econ, check your inbox in a second. I guess that means we're still working with econ's save (1314-5).

**Stig** · 10-08-2007, 22:01

Nah, we can have 1 single unit attacking Jeruzalem or something

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