Out of character thread XIV

**TinCow** · 10-14-2007, 19:54

Already told Mini Econ to fight his sally whenever he wants, since the results will not impact any other moves.

Also, I have added the following line to the Direct Recuitment section and am posting it here so that people are aware:

If you want to use Direct Recruitment, you need to let me know in the PM and state specifically which units you want to recruit. My default choices will rarely include Direct Recruitment choices, so a typical response would be "Option B + Recruit 1 unit of Zweihanders and 1 unit of Sergeant Spearmen".

I am going off right now to make a specific list of all the normal HRE units and the common mercenaries. I will specifically state the recruitment price of each unit in the FAQ.

**RoadKill** · 10-14-2007, 20:16

Econ, your going to fight my battle when I seige Budapust right?

**econ21** · 10-14-2007, 20:23

Originally Posted by RoadKill

Econ, your going to fight my battle when I seige Budapust right?

Yes, I would be honoured to.

**RoadKill** · 10-14-2007, 20:29

Econ, I want Lorenz bloodied up, let him kill as much enemies as possible, but please please please don't let him die, I already lost 2 generals in a month don't want a third. Also when your done SACK THE PLACE.

**FactionHeir** · 10-14-2007, 20:32

Something interesting at the Citadel
CA hasn't got any patches planned nor in the works for M2TW/Kingdoms.

**TinCow** · 10-14-2007, 20:52

Here is the list of specific unit prices. It is nothing really new, just a direct translation of the generic list I originally posted onto the exact units in the game. This is not meant to represent in-game prices at all and is more designed with players' abilities in mind. For instance, ranged units cost more than equivalent infantry because humans are far better at using them than the AI. You can thank FactionHeir for the crazy high prices on mounted units.

Pasted for ease of reference:

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**econ21** · 10-15-2007, 00:35

Originally Posted by TinCow

Here is the list of specific unit prices...

I guess Teutonic Knights cost 5 points? Statistically, they seem a match for Gothics and a clear step up from Imperials.

**Privateerkev** · 10-14-2007, 21:22

Alright, first off, the official cataclysm thread is awesome. Hats off to TC for what seemed to be a lot of work.

Second, I have a question on Kaiser Economics (Kaisernomics?)

It seems the Kaiser gets 1 for each Imperial province that's attached to the Kaiser's location and not under siege. But it lists Vilinius and Acre. I have a couple of questions about this.

1.) Vilinius was never incorporated. If we are claiming that un-incorporated provinces are Imperial, then Vilinius, Constantinople, and Durazzo would all count. But, none have an uninterrupted path to the Kaiser's location so none would give him money.

2.) Acre is listed as the Kaiser's but Acre is Swabian and Outremer's. Once the Elberhard left his house, he left Swabia. Therefore, Acre is Jan's since it is enshrined in the Outremer charter.

3.) Antioch however, is Imperial. And it is in the Charter. So, does it give 1 to Jan and 1 to Elberhard?

This is in no way an attempt IC or OOC to deny the Kaiser money. It's just that I am a micro-managing, anal-retentive, number-cruncher and I like to keep track of these things.

Also, to clarify, do King/Dukes get 1 point for every territory under their control, with uninterrupted path to the avatar, and not under-siege, regardless of if it is a castle or city? And then an extra point if their territory has a loyal count?

So, Jan would have:

Antioch, Aleppo, and Acre. None have counts because Bresch (Aleppo) is in Europe and loses the crusader count status and Elberhard (Acre) became Kaiser and can't be a crusader count, and Antioch never has a count. So, that is 3. But Acre and Aleppo are besieged so that is -2. So, Jan has 1 like what is listed in the Official Cataclysm Thread (OCT) but it gets there differently. It does not give Jan Acre.

So, the Kaiser would have:

Vilinius, Constantinople, Durazzo, and joint control of Antioch with the King. This would be 4. But Vilinius, Constantinople, and Durrazo are all far and out of communication with the Kaiser so that is -3. So, the Kaiser would get 1 from Antioch. Again, this is the number that is listed in the OCT but it gets there differently. It gives Elberhard Acre when it is really Jan's and it does not account for Elberhard getting a point from Antioch when it is really Imperial and Jan's.

Furthermore, are we starting the time where re-captured territories will not automatically go back to their houses? Didn't we say that houses could keep what they re-capture during the cataclysm but the Kaiser can re-allocate at the next Diet to reward/punish?

How am I doing so far?

**FactionHeir** · 10-14-2007, 21:28

Castles do not give points, so the Acre point is moot until you convert it.

As King, you'd get bonus point if you got CCs. Emperors don't get bonus points I don't think. They get that +4 bonus TC mentioned.

**TinCow** · 10-14-2007, 21:36

Good catch, I missed that Antioch was Imperial, I was thinking it just belonged to Jan because it wasn't listed in the Chancellor's thread as Imperial. It has been corrected and Elberhard now has an extra +1 from Antioch. Acre is listed as Elberhard's because he is listed as the governor in the Chancellor's thread. Let me know if that is wrong.

Castles generate no income for anyone, not even Dukes, unless they are a rebel capital or there are some other unique circumstances. (See Lothar's financials - Please note that I tried to give each Duke an advantage of some sort. Ansehelm is rich so he doesn't need a bonus. Arnold is pretty rich too, so his 'bonus' is more for flavor and amusement. Lothar is moderately profitable, but is likely to lose a lot of territory quickly and thus the generic +1 to compensate (Plus the description of Deep Pockets indicates the result). Hans has the least of any Duke, but he has easily the best 'bonus' in the entire game to compensate.)

Vilnius was included simply as a note to myself. I consider it cut-off from pretty much everyone and hopefully it will fall to someone soon. It should've been disposed of several turns ago, but the AI has been annoying. Try to pretend it doesn't exist. Constantinople belongs only to Tancred because he captured it. I don't expect him to hang around though, so it will belong to no one next turn, even if the AI doesn't take it. Durazzo belongs to no one because it is rebel, not HRE.

For the next 10 turns, people who capture settlements control them. What happens to them afterwards will be up to the Diet, not me.