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    Makedonios Ksanthopoulos Member Privateerkev's Avatar
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    Default Re: Out of character thread XIV

    Alright, first off, the official cataclysm thread is awesome. Hats off to TC for what seemed to be a lot of work.

    Second, I have a question on Kaiser Economics (Kaisernomics?)

    It seems the Kaiser gets 1 for each Imperial province that's attached to the Kaiser's location and not under siege. But it lists Vilinius and Acre. I have a couple of questions about this.

    1.) Vilinius was never incorporated. If we are claiming that un-incorporated provinces are Imperial, then Vilinius, Constantinople, and Durazzo would all count. But, none have an uninterrupted path to the Kaiser's location so none would give him money.

    2.) Acre is listed as the Kaiser's but Acre is Swabian and Outremer's. Once the Elberhard left his house, he left Swabia. Therefore, Acre is Jan's since it is enshrined in the Outremer charter.

    3.) Antioch however, is Imperial. And it is in the Charter. So, does it give 1 to Jan and 1 to Elberhard?

    This is in no way an attempt IC or OOC to deny the Kaiser money. It's just that I am a micro-managing, anal-retentive, number-cruncher and I like to keep track of these things.

    Also, to clarify, do King/Dukes get 1 point for every territory under their control, with uninterrupted path to the avatar, and not under-siege, regardless of if it is a castle or city? And then an extra point if their territory has a loyal count?

    So, Jan would have:

    Antioch, Aleppo, and Acre. None have counts because Bresch (Aleppo) is in Europe and loses the crusader count status and Elberhard (Acre) became Kaiser and can't be a crusader count, and Antioch never has a count. So, that is 3. But Acre and Aleppo are besieged so that is -2. So, Jan has 1 like what is listed in the Official Cataclysm Thread (OCT) but it gets there differently. It does not give Jan Acre.

    So, the Kaiser would have:

    Vilinius, Constantinople, Durazzo, and joint control of Antioch with the King. This would be 4. But Vilinius, Constantinople, and Durrazo are all far and out of communication with the Kaiser so that is -3. So, the Kaiser would get 1 from Antioch. Again, this is the number that is listed in the OCT but it gets there differently. It gives Elberhard Acre when it is really Jan's and it does not account for Elberhard getting a point from Antioch when it is really Imperial and Jan's.

    Furthermore, are we starting the time where re-captured territories will not automatically go back to their houses? Didn't we say that houses could keep what they re-capture during the cataclysm but the Kaiser can re-allocate at the next Diet to reward/punish?

    How am I doing so far?
    Last edited by Privateerkev; 10-14-2007 at 21:31.


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