Out of character thread XIV

**gibsonsg91921** · 10-15-2007, 02:41

cmon kingdoms people, join up so i can have some good experienced PBM players. get a good avatar if u come early!

**RoadKill** · 10-15-2007, 02:55

Hardly anyone here has kingdoms haha.

**gibsonsg91921** · 10-15-2007, 03:00

stig, econ, and bob do, maybe more im not sure. ik econ is busy, i was more wondering stig and bob, depending on how busy they are

**GeneralHankerchief** · 10-15-2007, 03:17

***Serious post below***

Judging by my parsing of the various House Threads (don't yell at me, we're all guilty) and private communications I'm worried about the amount of sabotage that's going to occur during this cataclysm.

The whole idea that you're allowed to do whatever you want to other Electors and the fact that the rules basically encourage the sacking and plunder of your own settlements, i.e. destroying buildings in-game is very worrying for the situation in 1340.

I'm worried that we might break the game in these ten turns if we're not careful. TinCow and econ have stated that there's going to be more losing settlements than capturing them in this period, and that's fine, but there's always the time where we have to win them back. In addition, it's very possible that we're also going to have to get our finances straightened out and drive off the multitude of enemies from our land, this time without the help of the console and at the mercy of the game's financial system, not TinCow's.

There is 1340 to look forward to, and right now it doesn't look good. Strictly from an IC point of view, emotions are going to be running high after all of the internal sabotage and plunderings. I don't know if we'll be able to justify it if we were all able to convene and be satisfied with the legal resolutions. What's to stop firebrands like Dietrich or Becker (if they're at large) if they don't get what they want from going right back to rebellion?

In addition, we're actually going to have to get back to the game OOC as well. I had planned to run as Chancellor in 1340, and I still do, but if we all choose the "safe" option, plunder settlements, and retreat farther into the heartlands the Chancellor is going to be faced with a bunch of armies huddled around Frankfurt and Nuremberg, which won't be able to pay for all of them and the men won't be able to keep out the many French, Byzantine, Danish, Polish, Hungarian, Russian, Venetian, and Papal forces laying siege to those two territories.

Basically, I'm worried that we'll lose the game. While it's a rather fitting death for the PBM IC it definitely wasn't designed to be this way OOC. It was designed to provide a challenge to us, but I believe that the cataclysm is tottering on the edge between "challenge" and "impossibility."

If we want to keep playing well into the 1400s and even discover America, I suggest you all tread carefully when making your decisions.

**gibsonsg91921** · 10-15-2007, 03:21

GH is right. we cant just kill everything.

**RoadKill** · 10-15-2007, 03:26

I second that,

**gibsonsg91921** · 10-15-2007, 03:28

id hate to be the accidental engineer of the end of the game. at least econ21 and tincow are planning it all, i just through my hat into the ring

**Privateerkev** · 10-15-2007, 03:33

GH: You reap what you sow. People have chosen to play contentious rebellious characters. Of course this is a possible outcome of that. People do not have to plunder and sack other people's provinces. People don't have to kill Popes. People don't have to rebel. But if they choose to, then they should not be surprised IC or OOC at what happens. There are many reasons I am having Jan go the "co-operative" route in the cataclysm. One reason is simply to follow his traits. The other is because I do not want to create such a massively contentious and stressful environment to play in.

So, if people are worried about breaking the game, then they should think about what their avatar says and does. If we do break the game, we only have ourselves to blame. We wanted strife and difficulty. Now we have it. It's up to us IC and OOC to decide what to do about it.

I say lets play on and see what happens. If we end up breaking the game, we can just start another. If anyone is really worried about what the game is becoming, then they should sit and think about how they are adding to the environment.