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    i wonder if anyone has researched the 'Celts' as far as Britain is concerned? According to Historians the 'Celts' term has only been used to apply to the British people has only existed since, 1792? Where a group decieved everyone and made a 'Druid' ceremony and called it Celtic!!

    The Romans used to call the Celts 'Galli' and never refered to the Britons as 'Galli', Celts but just Britanni peoples. Yes the languages were similar, but not the same, even art found in Ireland which has this 'Celtic' label has no evidence it was produced by a concentrated tribe like the Celts.

    Most historians now believe that certain parts of Britain adopted the 'Celtic' language and some of their traits but were NOT invaded by them. I suppose the most obvious is through trade, for instance there is a copper mine in North Wales that dates back to 3500BC!!

    They also seem to say that no massacre took place when the Saxons came but they just integrated, they couldn't have massacred the Celts anyway as technically they didn't wxist in Britain, lol.

    I find this a fascinating subject and am still researching it. There was a recent DNA study down in certain parts of the UK but it is ultimately flawed, no I'm not ignoring science. But there was a much indepth Female DNA study done which showed more realistic results.

    There was a skeleton found at Cheddar gorge which dates 9000 years ago which is just a few hundred years after Britain came out of the Ice age and became an Island, they took DNA from this skeleton (female DNA is present in males and females but it provides an unbroken link which is hard to refute) and they found the same DNA still present in the people present locally. This proves that there was no invasion by the Celts and the Ancient Britons still remained Native.

    So if you have a Celt tribe for the British Isles take it out and use it for the East and give Britain the Brittanni people, lol.
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    Celt in the modern context is used to describe a material and linguistic culture, which most of Britain did belong to by this point. The Britons had a Celtic culture (actually several Celtic cultures, but all falling under the same name), with a similar religion, similar customs, material goods, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boudicea
    There was a skeleton found at Cheddar gorge which dates 9000 years ago which is just a few hundred years after Britain came out of the Ice age and became an Island, they took DNA from this skeleton (female DNA is present in males and females but it provides an unbroken link which is hard to refute) and they found the same DNA still present in the people present locally. This proves that there was no invasion by the Celts and the Ancient Britons still remained Native.
    No Celtic invasion? Just because there is some old DNA in present people in Britain? That would also mean that there was no Saxon invasion...

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    No Celtic invasion? Just because there is some old DNA in present people in Britain? That would also mean that there was no Saxon invasion...
    and no romans, and no normans...


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    I agree with the posts about the DNA study. All it shows is that the DNA is still around, it doesn't 'prove' that there was never an invasion, just that after any invasion there were enough survivors to continue living it up...so to speak.

    I was wondering if it was helpful to think of the Celts as a single entity, as if all the Celts were part of the same political organisation and structure. While the reference notes that the Western Celts were asked to talk with the Galatian Celts, it should be remembered that it was the Greeks who asked this, and we have no details of the response. Maybe the Greeks were simply assuming a level of conference which didn't exist between Celts. After all, they lumped everyone not Greek together as 'barbarians', just as the Romans did later.

    The groups of peoples known as the Celts obviously shared certain aspects of culture and religion, but in many ways were pretty diverse, and I'm not sure you can consider tham as a single group of peoples who debated and engaged in dialogue between themselves and each other.

    Thats my opinion, I'm happy for epople to tear it down and educate me! I admit my level of Celtic knowledge is not too extensive...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonny
    and no romans, and no normans...



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    Literatur Galater:
    Staehelin, Felix: Geschichte der kleinasiatischen Galater,1973.
    Strobel, Karl: Untersuchungen zur Geschichte und historischen Geographie des hellenistischen und römischen Kleinasien 1 , 1996.
    Vranopoulos, E.A.: War elephants of the hellenistic period, 1975, 130-146.
    Wörrle, M. Antiochos I., Achaios der Ältere und die Galater – eine neue Inschrift in Denizli, 1975, 59 – 87.


    Here are ethnic maps from me, to show you the real ancient tribes !
    Norici

    Vindelicii

    Panonnia

    Thracia

    Saxones (Proto)

    Narbonensis

    Boiahemum

    Liguria

    Dacia


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    I think a Baltic tribe would add an interesting dynamic, along with the Basternae.

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    This is little to no information on Baltic tribe or the Bastarnoz at this time period. And there weren't any powerful, united Baltic tribes.


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