A case for an Eastern Celtic faction to be in EBII.

[Bonny]

No Celtic invasion? Just because there is some old DNA in present people in Britain? That would also mean that there was no Saxon invasion...

and no romans, and no normans...

[Sanctimonius]

I agree with the posts about the DNA study. All it shows is that the DNA is still around, it doesn't 'prove' that there was never an invasion, just that after any invasion there were enough survivors to continue living it up...so to speak.

I was wondering if it was helpful to think of the Celts as a single entity, as if all the Celts were part of the same political organisation and structure. While the reference notes that the Western Celts were asked to talk with the Galatian Celts, it should be remembered that it was the Greeks who asked this, and we have no details of the response. Maybe the Greeks were simply assuming a level of conference which didn't exist between Celts. After all, they lumped everyone not Greek together as 'barbarians', just as the Romans did later.

The groups of peoples known as the Celts obviously shared certain aspects of culture and religion, but in many ways were pretty diverse, and I'm not sure you can consider tham as a single group of peoples who debated and engaged in dialogue between themselves and each other.

Thats my opinion, I'm happy for epople to tear it down and educate me! I admit my level of Celtic knowledge is not too extensive...

[Maksimus]

and no romans, and no normans...

[Hermenefred]

Literatur Galater:
Staehelin, Felix: Geschichte der kleinasiatischen Galater,1973.
Strobel, Karl: Untersuchungen zur Geschichte und historischen Geographie des hellenistischen und römischen Kleinasien 1 , 1996.
Vranopoulos, E.A.: War elephants of the hellenistic period, 1975, 130-146.
Wörrle, M. Antiochos I., Achaios der Ältere und die Galater – eine neue Inschrift in Denizli, 1975, 59 – 87.


Here are ethnic maps from me, to show you the real ancient tribes !
Norici

Vindelicii

Panonnia

Thracia

Saxones (Proto)

Narbonensis

Boiahemum

Liguria

Dacia


H.Balck

[Constantine the Great]

I think a Baltic tribe would add an interesting dynamic, along with the Basternae.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

This is little to no information on Baltic tribe or the Bastarnoz at this time period. And there weren't any powerful, united Baltic tribes.

[azzbaz]

This is little to no information on Baltic tribe or the Bastarnoz at this time period. And there weren't any powerful, united Baltic tribes.

What about the Aestii(Esti)? They spoke a Baltic language closely related to modern Latvian and Lithuanian also known as Old Prussian. They had an ancient culture even at this time becoming a tribal state at about 1800bc. They became particularly wealthy through their amber trade.
Looking at their pagan descendants of 800ad would give you a pretty good idea as to what they mightve looked like at the games date. And you also got good old archaeology.
They would be pretty primitive, but the more cultures you have in the game add to the flavour so to say.

[blitzkrieg80]

I've made a case for the Aestii for EB2 so no worries- they will not be forgotten by the likes of me (one who studies barbarians of all types, but specializes in the North and Central/Eastern Europe).

the biggest problem is the lack of centralized government and the lack of literary record

[Ayce]

This is little to no information on Baltic tribe or the Bastarnoz at this time period. And there weren't any powerful, united Baltic tribes.

Adding the Bastarnoz would mean we'd see Flax vs Falx fighting.

[Ibrahim]

Bastarnoz? yeah! Falx vs. Falx