Elder Scrolls 4

[Phatose]

Oblivion was an odd beast. They managed to fix the issues that ruined Morrowind for me, then introduce new and improved design problems to ruin Oblivion for me.

I can only assume there is a Bethesda gene that lets your overlook the vast amount of issue their games have, and I lack it.

[Slyspy]

Oblivion was an odd beast. They managed to fix the issues that ruined Morrowind for me, then introduce new and improved design problems to ruin Oblivion for me.

I can only assume there is a Bethesda gene that lets your overlook the vast amount of issue their games have, and I lack it.

It is probably a virus or a parasite rather than a gene. I enjoyed Morrowind on the second attempt, almost two years after buying it (thank goodness for the Boots of Blinding Speed though!). The first attempt got no where, I didn't like it.

Oblivion I just found rather dull and full of nice ideas executed poorly or not developed enough. A bit wishy-washy. This feeling of "it could be so much better with only a little tweaking" was soothed for a while by mods but eventually all the things that annoyed me got too much and I stopped enjoy myself.

The voice acting is a case in point.

[Navaros]

Oblivion: great graphics, great music, and little else going for it.

I was initially very impressed with it at first but once the novelty of great graphics wore off, I started to see the game for what it truly is much more clearly. Shallow fluff.

Way too many map markers that can be instantly teleported to; never sense of getting lost in the wilderness. Main quest is way too short. Side quests are also way too short. The crime system with omniscient and telepathic guards is completely and utterly broken out of the box and sucks all the fun right out of the game. Enemy and loot scaling to your level totally kills any intrigue or sense of exploration or danger the game might have otherwise had. As well as any challenging or memorable areas or encounters that the game might have otherwise had. The NPC character models and voice actors are recycled way too much; the very same characters models and voice actors copy and pasted all over the game and are "supposed" to be different persons in the game.

Ultimately I put Oblivion in the same category of Doom 3: great graphics engine, bad game.

[TevashSzat]

IMO, I think in Oblivion they went for more eye candy instead of content.

I remember in Morrowind, you had like 12 factions not counting smaller ones like the 3 vampire clans, with each of them having a full fledge mission series.

In Oblivion? Just 4 measly factions and far less miscellenious content. To this day, I still haven't done EVERY single quest in Morrowind even though I played it alot for quite a while, but finished basically everything in Oblivion in 60 hours.

[Kekvit Irae]

Oblivion went for more ability to be modded. If you read Something Awful, they had a three-part article on the best of the worst of mods, including the sex/prostitution mods (I'm still trying to find the one in the second article on page 8).

[naut]

Oblivion went for more ability to be modded. If you read Something Awful, they had a three-part article on the best of the worst of mods, including the sex/prostitution mods

Christ, they've got everything.

Mysticism is so redundant, but I use it anyway. The best mod is the one with the bag of holding, it weighs 5, but you can store infinite items inside it, (I swear it's not cheating ).

Edit: The Michael Jackson one is REAL!

[Slyspy]

Oblivion went for more ability to be modded. If you read Something Awful, they had a three-part article on the best of the worst of mods, including the sex/prostitution mods (I'm still trying to find the one in the second article on page 8).

The system which makes Oblivion easy to mod is essentially just a souped up version of the modding tools which ensured Morrowind cult status and a long life.

In actual fact some aspects of Oblivion make it more difficult to mod. The voice acting is a case in point: It renders user made content that much harder to make. Unless you happen to know some decent voice actors you have to fill the screen with text while playing a silent voice file. No matter how well written this user content may be it will never blend seemlessly with the original material in the way that many Morrowind additions did.

[Magraev]

Maybe some of you Oblibvion Vets could tell us wich mods to go for? I have Oblivion, but never played it much (yet). THere are so many mods it's impossible to get an overview.

[naut]

Depends on what type of mods you're looking for, gameplay effects, new quests, new items, graphics enhancers/optimisers, etc.

If you want a wider variety of monsters look for MMM.

[Magraev]

MMM? I dl'd something called "the unofficial Oblivion patch". that should fix some in-game errors. Other than that I'd like more of everything ...